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not to bash on your Christmas present.

but dremels are junk now! make sure you post back in at the 1 year mark of this thing. I want to know if it can even live past that without having burnt out brushes, faulty switch, burnt out windings, failed bearings.. they really are frustrating as all ****.

Flex shaft used in jewelry making or gun engraving and a separate electric motor to hook up too. induction is best. 3000 or 5000 RPM on the motor, with the down gearing from the motors arbor to the flex shafts gives you about 16000 rpm. just an FYI for when you really need your dremel and it decides to die for no reason at all and swear to never buying their junk again but you still need something like it..

The higher end Dremels aren't too bad....(I've rode them pretty hard)... but best suited to detail work. I like die grinders, but it takes a large compressor or you spend more time listening to the compressor than grinding. I REALLY like my Foredom, but they are expensive! (I lucked out and got mine on clearance for less than half of full price.)

BTW: Snow on the cars this morning! (That's Texas weather for you....84°f Saturday! )
 

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The higher end Dremels aren't too bad....(I've rode them pretty hard)... but best suited to detail work. I like die grinders, but it takes a large compressor or you spend more time listening to the compressor than grinding. I REALLY like my Foredom, but they are expensive! (I lucked out and got mine on clearance for less than half of full price.)

BTW: Snow on the cars this morning! (That's Texas weather for you....84°f Saturday! )

What on the cars???
 

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Ice/snow storm here last night, already melting lol. Guess it was inevitable we would get something eventually.

I never buy an actual dremmel though, costs too much. They sell a very good knockoff here though at biglots, about $25, comes with a ton of accessories, and a nice 3 foot long flex shafts attachment. I've had one (powersoirce I believe the brand name is) for about 2 years now and have put it through more than its fair share of work. It's just now starting to act up. O well, another $25 for a new one lol.
 

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not to bash on your Christmas present.

but dremels are junk now! make sure you post back in at the 1 year mark of this thing. I want to know if it can even live past that without having burnt out brushes, faulty switch, burnt out windings, failed bearings.. they really are frustrating as all ****.

Flex shaft used in jewelry making or gun engraving and a separate electric motor to hook up too. induction is best. 3000 or 5000 RPM on the motor, with the down gearing from the motors arbor to the flex shafts gives you about 16000 rpm. just an FYI for when you really need your dremel and it decides to die for no reason at all and swear to never buying their junk again but you still need something like it..

Well thanks for the heads up i guess .. for now it seems to run fine , but its only got like an hour of work time on it ... really liking those small sandpaper-drum thingies ... really handy for one you cant get an angle grinder somewhere ..
 

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Go to hf for the accessories, they're decent at a good price. They sell a really good diamond cut off disk that'll slice through almost anything. I've cut brick, tile, aluminum, and steel with the same disc and it's no worse for wear. It comes as part of the 100 piece accessory kit, but I believe it's also sold seperatly.
 

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got my first ever personal hand rivet gun today. for pop rivets and rivet nuts.. Gonna rivet together along side my deck screws my dumpster kart...

serious edit. while im not saying drill 5000 holes in your gokart frames. but for mounting seat hardware and such, a rivet nut is amazing [actually why I needed to have it.] the shear strength for just the el cheapo rivet nuts is 340lbs, thats for a single rivet, put 4 in on each side. BAM. SAFETY. [not that gokarts have ever been known for their safety.]
 

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Uh ya, 340lbs isn't very good. Not something I would trust especially on a kart whipping around at any decent velocity or g forces. Imo it's just asking to go flying, seat and all.

I mean by all.means do what you will, but I just wouldn't iiwm. Think about this though, as a comparison look at the chart, notice how the smallest grade 5 bolt on the chart has a shear strength of over 4 times the pop rivet bolt?
 

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Lets assume a larger go kart here for a second... [also I said rivet NUTS not pop rivets and also said the El-cheapo rivet nuts that where aluminum also tiny has heck that I didn't get because I wanted plated steel ones]

600lb Kart
Going 40mph
Hitting a solid object, equals too; 32103 Ft.lbf
or
43526 joules

At any rate, you have bigger problems weather or not 1 of 8 bolts used to fasten down your seat sheared off... The Rivet nuts are basically so you can mount hardware into sheet metal, or tubing.

and if you think that's any "worse" then what your car you drive everyday has. you should look how that seat is mounted to the frame, betcha its 4 M10 bolts of the cheese metal variety. into a punched hole in the frames metal, and that hole is tapped with threads. You could be lucky, and it could just be a nut welded onto the frame.

so assuming that. your chart is creditable and I had planned on using 5/8th 18. [actually M18x2 because this american used metric when he's building] I'm more then good... and rather over kill. but the seat is adjustable so the nuts are for a rail system to mount too, to push the seat back/forward.

and I understand that its not as simple as shear amount times eight. but even so, its not as simple as 32103 Ft.lbf of force all being directed at your seats mounting hardware either.


Please don't assume. that really ticks me off. :ack2:
 

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First nothing was assumed (you know what they say about something being assumed right?) I was going off exactly what you stated, though I did state pop rivets mistakenly instead of rivet nuts, but either way I was going off exactly what you stated for their shear strength of 340lbs.

I also said nothing about hitting an object at any speed. I said any kart whipping around at decent velocity or g forces. Again you're assuming there as to what I said, when that's not what I said.

The whole of what I said had to do with the shear strength of the pop nut vs the shear strength of a standard grade 5 bolt. I also went on to state that if it were me I would not trust it, but by all means do what you will, just make sure to wear a helmet at least lol.

I'm not bashing you, do what you want, I personally just would not trust it. I remember helping my dad as an older kid restore a side car for a motorcycle. Well he was putting new sheet metal into the bottom, drove a rivet about every 6 inches along the edge of the sheet metal, plenty to bite into on both the sheet and frame. He goes to get in, puts his foot in, and goes to step/slide in to sit down in it just because... and that new sheet metal floor was destroyed. Rivets popping out, breaking off, etc. Heard a lot of words I never knew that day lol.

I'm just saying that I personally won't trust simple rivets where a bolt would work just as easily. I'll take the 3 to 4+×'s strength upgrade on that 340lbs any day myself.
 

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First nothing was assumed (you know what they say about something being assumed right?) I was going off exactly what you stated, though I did state pop rivets mistakenly instead of rivet nuts, but either way I was going off exactly what you stated for their shear strength of 340lbs.

I also said nothing about hitting an object at any speed. I said any kart whipping around at decent velocity or g forces. Again you're assuming there as to what I said, when that's not what I said.

The whole of what I said had to do with the shear strength of the pop nut vs the shear strength of a standard grade 5 bolt. I also went on to state that if it were me I would not trust it, but by all means do what you will, just make sure to wear a helmet at least lol.

I'm not bashing you, do what you want, I personally just would not trust it. I remember helping my dad as an older kid restore a side car for a motorcycle. Well he was putting new sheet metal into the bottom, drove a rivet about every 6 inches along the edge of the sheet metal, plenty to bite into on both the sheet and frame. He goes to get in, puts his foot in, and goes to step/slide in to sit down in it just because... and that new sheet metal floor was destroyed. Rivets popping out, breaking off, etc. Heard a lot of words I never knew that day lol.

I'm just saying that I personally won't trust simple rivets where a bolt would work just as easily. I'll take the 3 to 4+×'s strength upgrade on that 340lbs any day myself.

Keep in mind what we're talking about here....the shear strength of the rivet nut itself! Now, that's based on two plates with nothing inside....so...basically....you ADD the shear strength to the bolt! (As opposed to an air gap).

Personally , I don't see a problem in the world with it....(as long as neither the bolts or rivet nuts come loose).

Also....What you're describing is not shear strength, but pull out. Like anything else, pop rivets can be installed incorrectly: (wrong size holes or wrong length rivets for starters) ....all in all, the proper spacing, size, length, and installation, as well as direction of force, pop rivets can be a viable fastening tool.

This closely mirrors the debate of the strength or safety of a bolt together kart vs. a welded one. Improperly done, either can fail, properly, neither one is likely to.
 

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I'm sure there's structural rivets for aircraft.. but I think they use some sort of air impact gun doohicky and a little anvil thing for the other side.

also I still don't see how a rivet nut would be any "less" safe then a welded nut. I like them because they sink into the tubing giving a almost flush surface so I can run the seat adjustment rails right against the frame. using the seats frame as a little more reinforcement against the frame twisting without having to add more bracing.

pull rivets for aircraft usage. its a pretty good read as far as standards go.
http://www.cherryaerospace.com/docs/catalogs/CA-1024.pdf
 

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Yayayayaya, I was just saying that I personally wouldn't trust it so na :p :lolgoku:

I wasn't trying for any I'll feelings J, I really wasn't my friend lol.

Anyways, since it's new years, well here at least lol, anyone ever try the captain Morgan cannon blast?

I think I have a new favorite drink. That and the new Holland dragons milk craft beer, 11% alc and freaking yum!
 

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(singing) Let's drink a cup of kindasomething ....for old landslides....(end singing) .....or was that usche?

IDK....I think think thish vodka and two cylcle gas ish purty good!

Edit: I member now...it's. landusche...merry new year...Paul!!! hee hee...
 

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(singing) Let's drink a cup of kindasomething ....for old landslides....(end singing) .....or was that usche?

IDK....I think think thish vodka and two cylcle gas ish purty good!

Edit: I member now...it's. landusche...merry new year...Paul!!! hee hee...

Go back to bed now, you're still sleepy sweet dreams little one. (kisses fore head) Nightey nite.

Denny
 

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Ok... so we took the kids roller skating last night. that was fun I have not been since 8th grade in 1989. The kids had a blast, So did me and Mrs Chancer (she HOT).
I only fell on my Arse once, but I hit REALLY hard... fell straight down on my butt. That added with muscles I do not usually use well... Today I feel like someone beat me with a bag of door knobs.
Remember guys 41 yr old men Do NOT have the balance, grace and Coordination they did at 14!
 

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Ok... so we took the kids roller skating last night. that was fun I have not been since 8th grade in 1989. The kids had a blast, So did me and Mrs Chancer (she HOT).
I only fell on my Arse once, but I hit REALLY hard... fell straight down on my butt. That added with muscles I do not usually use well... Today I feel like someone beat me with a bag of door knobs.
Remember guys 41 yr old men Do NOT have the balance, grace and Coordination they did at 14!

Did you really have all those things at 14?
 

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Balance and coordination? Yes.
Grace? well that would be a matter of Opinion.
I did not mention Good looks, Cause I still got that! :cool:
 
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