Victa go kart info needed.

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I have bought a load of parts to build my own go kart, but then after some discussion with a mate of mine I have decided to just buy a second hand race chassis.

I have a clutch and shaft adapter, and a pre-powertorque engine to use. I also have a 22mm Walbro carburettor off of a chainsaw. with the intake ported what RPM should I expect to get?

also what gear ratio should i have with 280mm (11inch) wheels? i was thinking about 5.5:1? or should I aim for more torque as the engine is a two-stroke?

any info or insight would be great and well appreciated, thank you.
 

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to figure out gear ratio, we need to know what size your sprockets are

That is what he is wanting to know. He wants us to advise him on a suitable ratio.

I would probably gear at least 6:1. I wouldn't really go higher than that.

What engine HP have you got? Is it a horisontal shaft engine?
 

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Is that the engine before the plastic carb or not that far back...?

Either way, somehow, I don't think you'll get much joy out of it, they're not too powerful...

What engine HP have you got?

If it's the engine I'm thinking of, I'd say somewhere around 3hp

Is it a horisontal shaft engine?

It's a 2 stroke, it doesn't matter what config it is...
 

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You mentioned porting the intake, have you done anything to the exhaust port, transfer ports or the head?

How much material have you taken from the intake port?

I take it you have an adaptor for the carb.

A specific HP rating was never given for these engines, however I'd say Fabroman would be pretty close at around 3.

On a lawnmower they are governed at 3600-3800 rpm, depending on the model

There were a few different models with minor differences between them. (eg ignition, exhaust, carb, starter)

Perhaps you could post a photo of the engine, and any mods you have done so far.
 

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What do you mean?

He means: Being a 2 stroke, these engines don't have a sump full of oil so they can be mounted horizontal or vertical. They have a round intake spigot, so the carb can be rotated accordingly.

Another good thing with these engines is the mounting: there are 4 studs protruding out from the bottom of the crankcase - makes it very easy to mount on just about anything.
 

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He means: Being a 2 stroke, these engines don't have a sump full of oil so they can be mounted horizontal or vertical. They have a round intake spigot, so the carb can be rotated accordingly.

Another good thing with these engines is the mounting: there are 4 studs protruding out from the bottom of the crankcase - makes it very easy to mount on just about anything.

Thanks akk99. I didn't think about the whole oil thing
 

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I way 215 pounds what would be a good amount of hp for me to go fast but not to fast this is for mostly grass
 

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I have been talking to a guy that raced victa go karts in the 60's and he said the pre powertorque engines are limited to around 6000rpm. with the extra fuel from a chainsaw carb you can push it out to that limiter. (not a real limiter, just the coil won't supply spark beyond that point in RPM) you only port the intake on these motors also, the exhaust port is big enough to flow 8hp before you need to enlarge it. you can readily get 7-8hp out of a pre powertorque without any hassles. you just need to make sure you find a flywheel without cracks/ fins missing, this can be a hard thing considering these engines are getting 25+ years old. the Guy i have been talking to has great knowledge and eve knows his own go kart shop which is great for up and coming projects.
 

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What RPM is the engine doing when it delivers 7-8 HP?

By the way, flywheels in good cond are pretty easy to come by. In fact, complete engines are easy to come by too.

Just a matter of looking..
 

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i have plenty of flywheels, i should be able to come up with something. you can roughly get 8hp out of a pre-powertorque with maybe 6,500RPM? they were the main engines people used to put on karts in AUS back in the 60's i have been told. I just need to make an inake tube to fit my Walbro carb onto. the best tging about the chainsaw carb is you can adjust the high/low fuel mixture so you can always have the perfect tune.
 

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Just a tip, if you're planning on doing high RPM it is worth shamfering the edges on the ports ( if you haven't done so already).

I've seen cases where the rings have caught the edges of the ports. You definitely don't want this to happen!!
 

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On points Victas you can get around the rev cut by hooking a car/motorcycle coil up to the points and running the coil off a battery. Thus building a total loss ignition system. From there they'l rev as high as the carby and porting allows. They've got a forged crank, beefy conrod and roller bearings for everything so provided you've got the carb, ignition system and porting to handle it, they are very happy to rev to the moon. The most I've heard is 16'000rpm out of an all out one built for a go kart in the 60s. 10'000+ is meant to be obtainable with basic porting and a carby upgrade.

They push more than 3HP standard. In some old advertising stuff I found a torque curve for the industrial version of the Victa 125. These use a decompression plate in the head (something like 5mm thick IIRC), a special throttle butterfly that only opens half way and a heavily baffled muffler. From the torque figures I calculated max power to be 2.8hp (IIRC, this was years ago) for that really restricted motor.

The stock intake is tiny and the carby is a bucket of poop. Fix these and you'l get good gains. Whilst the exhaust port at first appears humongous the actual port its self fairly small. You should expect to see gains from making it taller to increase the port timing. The factory "power plus" fullcrank Victas (used on the 24" & 26" mowers and some of the larger self propelled ones) had a squish band head and an intake with dual air filters. They also had a muffler with different internals. As you have probably noticed, Victas are the loudest engine on earth. Removing the muffler doesn't really do anything but make them sound like a machine gun, spit oil and flames everywhere and forcibly remove your eardrums via your nostils. Some people remove the decompression valve. There is no point in doing this unless you really feel like breaking your fingers. Even when the vacuum line isn't hooked up they work magically, though I have come across some that need the valve lapped.

Stock governed revs is 4000 on all 2 stroke Victas. Given their pneumatic governing system (be it vane or air pressure) it's probably more like 4000 +/- 1000. That's why they have the rev cut, if the governor got damaged/bypassed/unhooked ect they'd rev to infinity and launch the blades at your ankles.

In terms of torque, they have bucket loads of it as standard. It's what makes them such good lawn mower engines. On go karts we don't really care about having max torque 200 rpm above idle, hence why there is quite a bit of power potential. 2 strokes can have great torque, it just depends how they're set up.

Is yours a 125 or a 160? What Mk?
 

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Ahahahahaha!! this was great! :roflol: :funnypost:

I have access to many mowers, I have a full crank engine that I got for free that was used as a DIY battery charger (motor was mounted and a pulley was on the engine and a belt ran an alternator that had leads to charge a battery) also, i have two VC160s both have G3 carbs, one runs the other has no coil. all my engines are 160s but only two do run.
 

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I have the workshop manual for the fullcrack engines in PDF form. I can email it to you (or anyone else) if you like? It's to big to upload here. :)
 

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no, it should be right mate. thank you anyway.

I have another question for the people of the forum- What gear ratio should i be running with a victa engine?

I was thinking a 12-84 would be sufficient, that would haul *** from an engine that revs to 6,000 RPM and would give me a top speed 47km/h but with a gear ratio of 7:1 that should really be fun on some dirt track, but realistically what ratio should I have? I want it to really haul *** and throw some dirt. and i have a 12 tooth clutch, with 11' tires. What would you recommend?
 
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