TAV2 30series 7" driven clutch&6"driven clutch&3/4"driver clutch

[T-man]

I do agree with this also. Misleading people just creats bad karma ie. ( what goes around comes around ) The ones that I sell/have so far are holding up. I'll let people know that its a touque converter and how similer they are in comparison to a comet. I hope you guys arnt mad because Im selling the Chinese TCs But if it makes you feel any better I haven't sold a single one. To anyone.

 

[TorqueRanger]

I do agree with this also. Misleading people just creats bad karma ie. ( what goes around comes around ) The ones that I sell/have so far are holding up. I'll let people know that its a touque converter and how similer they are in comparison to a comet. I hope you guys arnt mad because Im selling the Chinese TCs But if it makes you feel any better I haven't sold a single one. To anyone.

I would have bought one from you but no funds and no shipping to usa....

 

[T-man]

shhh .... I'll make an exception for you just dont tell anyone .... Oh geeez what did I just type :rolleyes3:

 

[augidog]

t-man...honesty & fair competition practices, that's all one can expect, people have to make a buck after all, but let the best deal win not the best liar. heck no it don't bother me what you offer, you're being upfront, and i figure you're prepared to stand behind whatever you choose to sell. good enuff.

guess who just sent this to me? yes, the good guys.

Our attorney’s are working on this.

right on!

seems to me CPC/Tecumseh/Hoffco/Comet is taking this seriously, i know i wouldn't wanna have to fight a company that large & well established...it'll be interesting to see if their action trickles into other areas.

locally speaking, i believe American companies who've stuck it out instead of outsourcing deserve the protection and support of the American consumer.

btw-there's some interesting retro items in their "vintage" section: http://www.certifiedpartscorp.com/vintage/

check this 1-cylinder/2-stroke tach...


for the record, i admit to buying one before i shared the link.

 

[GTC]

Greetings from GTC

We are GTC Manufacturing, an American Company located in Pleasant Hill, California. We are Powersports enthusiasts and it is our desire to produce high quality products to support the Powersports Industry. We manufacture and produce most of our products right here in the United States. Our fabrication facility is located in Concord, California. Our sales have skyrocketed and we have many Dealers in the USA and worldwide (we do not sell on Ebay). We remember the days when Gokarts and Minibikes were produced in the USA by Companies like Manco, Rupp, Taco and a whole lot more. We love the DIY forum and want to assure everyone that we will continue to make high quality products to support and breathe new life into the thousands of American made Gokarts and Minibikes out there to keep them alive and running. We are currently producing 30 series, 40 series Torque Converters, CVT Systems and much more. Stay tuned for our new kits for motorized bicycles. This segment is fast growing and, as always, we are listening to the community and responding with new and innovative products. We will post more in the future as time permits. Thanks to all, GTC

 

[augidog]

personally, i've heard that before. a few times now. the same stuff.

what i'm not hearing is an answer to your "about us" info being a copy of at least 3 other companys' webpage.

what i'm not seeing is any proof there's a company in CA called GTC that manufactures torque-converters. you're expecting me to believe you, but you're giving me nothing to believe.

your product looks ok, and is competitive...but we both know why you skyrocketed, it's because until recently you were blatantly using Comet's branding in a misleading fashion. and you still do, tho you've toned it down a lot...designations like "30 Series" are proprietary to Comet i betcha anything...which raises that you could actually be in the USA, but hiding because you're in hot water with the real Comet folks.

and if you're outside the USA, what's wrong with the truth? are you afraid that people won't buy if it's an import? do you realize you make relations worse by being vague & misleading? do you realize you can make relations better by demonstrating that some importers can make a good product and proudly stand behind it?

let's really boil this down, ok? bottom line is that what you sell are exact copies of an established product, not something better or competitive of your own design. my favorite "conspiracy theory" is that you're screwed with Comet being back in the picture, they're people who take design ownership & patenting quite seriously i imagine. but honestly, no matter what the circumstances or location, i believe that 'fessing up even this late in the game would eventually prove itself advantageous to your company's image.

it's too simple to be avoided, really...just post some pics of the real building, outside and inside (on this forum you love, but only have 3 advertisements/posts as evidence of that love) with some real people at real machines making real parts.

the things you say about your plans and products sound wonderful to the powersporting enthusiast, me too as a Motor-assisted Bicyclist...but compete fairly and honestly, & with transparency, is what i'm saying. if you make a scaled down TC for smaller applications, i'd be interested, but no matter how much i'd like one, i won't buy it unless i know who and where.

get it?

 

[kendelrk]

if you guys at GTC were just honest, how do we know your not just some guy, sitting in your garage with a get rich quick scheme? if i was looking for a comet 30, and couldnt find one, but you said yours WAS comet 30, if i baught it, id find out it wasnt, get really pissed off and spread terrible words about you, now if i couldnt find a comet 30, and found a clone that looked of good quality, i would buy it, see how it held up, and if it did good i would spread the good news to everyone and your company would sell much more, without honesty, your honestly screwed

 

[GTC]

Augidog, we are concerned about your posts. We have never heard anyone complaining about our products. You may be confusing our products with some cheap versions sold on Ebay. Did you buy one of our products and have some trouble with it? If so, what did you buy and what problems did you have? As previously posted on DIY, we are located in Pleasant Hill, California. Our Fabrication center is in nearby Concord, California and it produces a large number of quality parts and components every day. As we all know, now a days, certain nuts and bolts are just not made in our country anymore and we must rely on these overseas sources just like any other American company making a quality product at a competitive price. Thanks we look forward hearing from you. GTC

 

[TorqueRanger]

Augidog, we are concerned about your posts. We have never heard anyone complaining about our products. You may be confusing our products with some cheap versions sold on Ebay. Did you buy one of our products and have some trouble with it? If so, what did you buy and what problems did you have? As previously posted on DIY, we are located in Pleasant Hill, California. Our Fabrication center is in nearby Concord, California and it produces a large number of quality parts and components every day. As we all know, now a days, certain nuts and bolts are just not made in our country anymore and we must rely on these overseas sources just like any other American company making a quality product at a competitive price. Thanks we look forward hearing from you. GTC

Well I was looking into buying a 3/4" driver for a comet 30 system and interested in where can I buy one these ??
I live in new jersey USA ...

 

[augidog]

gtc, you just did hear from me, but you didn't hear me. i'm not complaining about your products, i'm complaining about your principles. show me proof, period...anything else you have to say to or about me is avoidance, obvious to anyone watching this unfold.

just post some real pics and we'll be finished with the matter.

TorqueRanger, mfgsupply sells only brand-name components, not replacements or copies...they seem to have a great selection, too. and they're in WI, same as Comet, that's pretty close to NJ.

http://www.mfgsupply.com/gomini/gominiclutch.html

 

[B.M.800]

Yes, some pictures of a in progress TC would be awesome.

 

[Bluethunder3320]

Well I was looking into buying a 3/4" driver for a comet 30 system and interested in where can I buy one these ??
I live in new jersey USA ...

this is where i got mine.

http://www.gokartsupply.com/asymapp.htm

 

[r97]

this is where i got mine.

http://www.gokartsupply.com/asymapp.htm

I believe those are GTC clutches, note the "G3" label on the top of the page. MFG supply, CPC, and BMI karts are the places I know of selling genuine comets.

GTC, I own one of your torque converter systems. It has preformed very well on my 6hp engine, and all the components look to be of good quality. That said I would like to have some more convincing evidence of the clutches being made in the USA. If you can prove to us your claims are legitimate you would open up another whole group of consumers on your beloved forum (to my knowledge, only 2 or so people on this forum own the GTC tc2).

If you are an importer I would much rather you prove your importing a quality product that you stand behind, rather than misleading customers. I have no problem buying imported products as long as they are quality.

 

[Doc Sprocket]

GTC, it really is in your best interest to provide the folks here with the information they (we) seek. Ever since Comet went down, we have been looking for a good source for well made and reasonably priced CVT's. Not only would many members of this forum be potential consumers, there is also alot to be said for the fact that we are a global community with roots that reach all points of the globe. And there is a LOT to be said for word-of-mouth, testimonials, and mass communication.

 

[augidog]

Comet's not down anymore...and IMO that's one of the reasons behind GTC being so vague...even if gtc is local, they could be caught in a trade violation battle, and their plan of cashing in is being threatened.

personally i'll link people to a genuine Comet dealer every chance i get.

GTC: you may not recall, but back when i was researching my t-c purchase i contacted you about location and origin...i was ready to buy your product but you were vague, so i dug deeper...that's when i learned you've been misusing Comet's name...and copying other folks webpages...based on your avoidance, i decided to not do business with you. and until you either quit lying or prove you're telling the truth, i'm going to be on this like stink on imported cardboard. btw-you call yourself "GTC Manufacturing" yet the products are marked "GTC Industries"...and no search for either company in CA yields any results...i think y'all are making it up as you go.

maybe noteworthy...i did find a "contract manufacturer" in Concord who boasts "reverse engineering" as one of their specialties...they'll remain unnamed as i have no idea if they're involved, but i'm going to directly inquire.

 

[speedshopmike]

augi, if you really wanna know go on cali's gov't website and see what permits they have and if the zoning there is manufacturing or not.
all that stuff is public record.
mapquest's sat-view shows them in a decent sized commercial building but it doesn't appear to have any chimneys for a casting furnace, for example...

 

[augidog]

which facility are you referring to? the gokartsusa warehouse in pleasant hill? there are manufacturers in Concord, so i guess the zoning's in place, but i can't find anything related to "gtc" the makers of torque-converters (or of anything else) in California. if i'm missing something in my searching, someone clue me in...of course, GTC can clear this all up if they choose to...

 

[speedshopmike]

i googled "gtc industries california", got an address, punched it in mapquest, saw what there is to see - looks like a regular warehouse to me.
there's no way they're building parts in concord and trucking them all the way to cali for storage; big waste of money to do that.

 

[augidog]

lost in translation?

the claim is that the parts are made in concord CA, just a couple miles north of pleasant hill CA.

an earlier version of GTC's "about us" says

GTC Industries employs a long-time leader in the precision machining industry located in Concord, California since 1998.

http://gtcmanufacturing.com/about.html clearly, this will soon be a dead link

the current version says

GTC Industries is a long-time leader in the precision machining industry...since 1998.

seems i recall someone mentioning gtc products have been around since 2010? and remember the rest of the "about us" content is cut & paste from other sites.

another thing gtc says on its new homepage

replaces the Comet TAV2 Torq-A-Verter which is no longer available

isn't that an obvious lie, and an attempt to mislead anyone ignorant of the facts?

remember GTC shares that pleasant hill address with gokartsusa, i think these warehouse pics are genuine: http://gokartsusa.com/about-us.aspx

there is nothing "gtc" to be found in concord ca. thing is, there's a lot of confusion where there doesn't have to be. GTC simply needs to provide real-time proof of the "Made in USA" claim, or otherwise clear things up for its potential customers.

honestly, after i learn where this product is really made, the next thing i'll want to know is if selling reverse-engineered Comet products is legal.

 

[B.M.800]

Ive heard gokartsusa arnt real fun to deal with... ?