Project Stoopid!

[Master Hack]

OOHH for the good old days of a Triumph, Matchless, or BSA 650 twin.

BUT, TBI EFI and all that modern stuff sure makes it start and run nice. Self adjusting for varying conditions. Now to sort out all that shyt and eliminate what I can. That friggin air box is the first to go. For now it will get shoved off into a corner til next month. Gotta annual desert trip coming up. I need to make sure the blue scrap heap is ready...
And yes it is water cooled.

 

[Master Hack]

Part of our continuing educatio program we have a new educational series called Geezer Smarts.
Some of old geexerz (myself included) are not very familiar with modern manufacturing techniques. The youngs already know EVERYTHING. So geezers, this is what a modern motorcycle (monocoque) frame looks like.

 

[Master Hack]

This view, makes it look kinda like an engine, rather than a junk pile...

 

[Denny]

Any way to just reuse the stock fuel tank? Maybe paint some cool smiley faces or something on it to make it look like it belongs? That frame thingy looks scary.

 

[Master Hack]

ny way to just reuse the stock fuel tank? Maybe paint some cool smiley faces or something on it to make it look like it belongs? That frame thingy looks scar

No that would look like some hack stuck it in there. Oh wait!
Why are we afraid to use a fuel cell? There are external pumps that work just fine.
Yeah they cost a few bux but so what, with the money yer gonna loan me it will be an easy purchase.

After delivering the Trike I made a brake pedal.

 

[Whitetrashrocker]

You missed a great opportunity for an octagon.

 

[Master Hack]

Ha ha, yeah, that would have been cool. I'm just not that sharp. I was reminiscing about an old pickup, my first experience behind the wheel, the pedals were round and came up through a hole in the floor. So there ya have it throw back thursday onna friday!

 

[Denny]

I’ve got 8 cents and some pocket lint to loan you. But you’ll have to loan me the money for a stamp and envelope.

 

[panchothedog]

Lucas was the king of darkness.

Know why brits drink warm beer?
Cause Lucas made refrigerators too.

I know all about the English Lucas jokes. Even owned a couple of British cars. But of the 4 English bikes I owned ( all 500cc or bigger ) never had one quit from an electrical problem. Never had one quit period. I was just amazed at the amount of shyt attached to the engine from Hacks bike. And NO that picture does not resemble a bike frame, not even a little bit.

 

[Denny]

My old neighbor’s 64 Triumph Bonneville barely ran because of Mr, Joe (The Prince of Darkness) Lucas and his fine wiring and parts. Push it home, work on it all week, ride for 10 trouble free minutes then it dies. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Master Hack]

Had a 1960 Sprite for a while. If the humidity was above 50% it wouldn't run.
Not a rainy weather car. Good thing that was in SoCal.

l called the local college and they sent archaeologists out to dig through the layers of crap and they actually found an engine!


i'm learning more about this thing now that the pile o shyt that had everything buried has been removed. What i guessed was a TBI setup is actually full EFI.
I'm liking this thing more every day.

 

[Whitetrashrocker]

And it's s Hemi!

 

[panchothedog]

Had a 1960 Sprite for a while. If the humidity was above 50% it wouldn't run.
Not a rainy weather car. Good thing that was in SoCal.

l called the local college and they sent archaeologists out to dig through the layers of crap and they actually found an engine!

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i'm learning more about this thing now that the pile o shyt that had everything buried has been removed. What i guessed was a TBI setup is actually full EFI.
I'm liking this thing more every day.

Now that does look a lot more like an engine. Almost handsome. And the rats nest of wiring and hoses looks a lot simpler.

 

[panchothedog]

My old neighbor’s 64 Triumph Bonneville barely ran because of Mr, Joe (The Prince of Darkness) Lucas and his fine wiring and parts. Push it home, work on it all week, ride for 10 trouble free minutes then it dies. Rinse and repeat.

Denny, I have to say ( I do believe you ) that what you described is not even remotely the experience of mine. My time of owning street bikes was from 1962
until 1966. I think the Honda cub 50 was out in 62 or 63 but it was looked at more like a toy. The larger Jap bikes showed up a year or two later. The time when I was riding, everyone rode an English bike or a Harley. But they always seemed to cost more money. Older English bikes were cheap. The most modern bike I ever owned was a 1958 Norton. Most of my buddies rode as well. Breakdowns were very uncommon. Now headlights and taillights, that's a different story. Most of our fun was had when the sun was shining.

 

[Master Hack]

Among the thoughts/ideas/curiousities and other stuff rattling around in my head is clutches, more specifically clutch operating methods. I'm thinkin hydraulic. The only other method would be cable. Mechanical isn't practical, there would too many joints and pivots, connections. Hydraulic seems like the best option. So lets hear the good, bad and the ugly.

 

[panchothedog]

How was the clutch activated on the bike? Cable or fluid. How much travel is necessary from complete disengagement to fully engaged? Probably more travel motion with a cable. Lots of cars had hydrologic clutches, but as far as I know you had to have a master cylinder and a slave cylinder to perform the motion. Sure seems like a cable would be simpler. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Denny]

Among the thoughts/ideas/curiousities and other stuff rattling around in my head is clutches, more specifically clutch operating methods. I'm thinkin hydraulic. The only other method would be cable. Mechanical isn't practical, there would too many joints and pivots, connections. Hydraulic seems like the best option. So lets hear the good, bad and the ugly.

I’m good.
Your bad.
Hellion is ugly?

I agree with Bill, cable is about the cheapest and easiest.

 

[ezcome-ezgo]

It had never occured to me that those monocoque frames were two halves. Fascinating!

 

[Master Hack]

We covered cheap and easy. I prefer cheap and difficult. Exploring options….
The clutch lever on the trans only moves about 3/4 inch full travel.
Hydraulic would require less pedal effort, would be smoother in operation and be more reliable. Not that cables are unreliable. Just exploring options to satisfy my inner engineer.

It had never occured to me that those monocoque frames were two halves. Fascinating

Not much fun to disassemble, but it has got to be next to impossible to reassemble. They used #50 torx head bolts with the security pin to put it together. I pity the po foo that tries to take it apart and reassemble it.

 

[Master Hack]

Thanks fer nuthin now all the inner personell that l keep close at hand are arguin in my head over this hydraulic/cable. The debate rages on. Fortunately they have decided to have a civil discussion over a few drinks. So now l'm having to supply alcholol to the 13 voices in my head. Thats not easy! I'm some kind of waiter and vital link, between the 13 and the bar. Stand by for the napkin drawing to follow.
Common sense will prevail and the cable designers will win out. But the whole process is a lotta fun!