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It is still not the cop's fault.
Fatal mini bike wreck after police chase
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Flyinhillbilly
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Actually I have been showing this to anyone I think will give me an honest opinion on it. Most completely agree with me that there was no justification for a high speed pursuit. Cultural differences I guess ( shrugs shoulders) I ride my minibike on the street all the time where I live and have never had a cop do anything other than wave at me while I'm doing it. I'm lucky though, the cops where I live seem to have a normal amount of properly functioning brain cells. They aren't just spoiling for a conflict, they just do their job in the most courteous, polite way possible. I'm not against cops, I'm against cops that feel like it's us against them.Those poor parents..
I don'T know what they taught this kid.. but I know what my parents told me when I was that age... and how much I've listened (not at all! and if you're honest you were the same)
yes.. grounded, no tv.. lalala...but most of the times they never knew
I got lucky perhaps, perhaps I wasn't as dumb as this kid, perhaps it's just a different time and a different place I can't tell...
But I can tell that IF such thing had happened it'd not have been my parents fault at all.
And frankly I was riding my cousins moped at the age of 13-14 in italy as well.. on a parking lot alright... but it comes close at least
I mean honestly.. have you really forgotten what it was back then, or are you making this up in case your kids read your posts?
Anyways.. why I came back to this sad story..
I showed this video my wife tonight (preloaded, fullscreen right until the kid crashed and stopped it)
She could NOT identify the mini biker as a kid, I told her the kid crashed fatally and she only said "what? why.. the cops let him escape already?"
I asked her to watch it again telling her that the cops made him crash because they forced him into dangerous situations and he got scared and wanted to get away..
and she said "You're kidding? I see nothing the cops did to make the kid crash he should've just stopped."
I really tried... but she's on my side... (well.. my wife.. love her for a reason)
Anyways, I'd be interested in what your relatives perveive watching the dashcam footage and the dashcam footage only; and what they say about what happened and why.
Anyone dare to try as well?
'sid
Knowing now that the kid died in front of his house tells me he was terrified that the cop was trying to kill him and was going somewhere he wasn't alone. He deliberately turned onto that street. If he was just trying to get away so his parents wouldn't take his minibike, why did he beeline for home?
Kind of off topic, but when you look in the mirror of your car and see a patrol car following you, are you glad he's there, or do you get nervous in anticipation of a conflict.
Kartorbust
Inmate #627
I believe cops in Germany have a standard single location for training, where as here in the states it varies from state to state.
Back when I was about 12 or so, few kids from the surrounding neighborhood would ride dirt bikes down the road. But the sheriff in the county never did much to stop them. Of course the kids were absolute cacti, they weren't disrupting anyone anyway. As long as your not ticking off your neighbors, you won't have cops called on you.
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Back when I was about 12 or so, few kids from the surrounding neighborhood would ride dirt bikes down the road. But the sheriff in the county never did much to stop them. Of course the kids were absolute cacti, they weren't disrupting anyone anyway. As long as your not ticking off your neighbors, you won't have cops called on you.
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WHAT!?!
You say you live in a country where kids are terrified because cops will try to KILL THEM?!
Sorry pal, you must be f** kidding me!
The kid was maybe heading home, maybe he was just heading down the street he lives in who knows.
I don't.
Maybe he was trying to hide in his own backyard NOT to get into troubles with the police sure.. maybe to not have his mini bike confiscated.. sure very well plausible..
because he was terriefied of the cops trying to kill him?!
Seriously.. I'm not an american, by no means I'm a fan of some of your laws or of some what some americans considers "decent behaviour" at times..
(Oh just to be clear.. the very same is true for germany as well
)But this is more than a bit of a stretch..
I'd still trust any american policeman enough that he'd not kill a kid for having some unsafe fun in the streets of his neighborhood.
fining him.. yes.. killing?? hilarious!
it's NOT a mexican slum the kid was riding in, it doesn't look like a gang hot spot either...
(both might justify triggerhappy lawenforcement at times)
And the "driving" cop surely hasn't had any intent of harming the kid
(otherwise he could've easily ran him over earlier in the footage)
Instead he slowed down to release the pressure to prevent reckless driving.
(kid might not have noticed.. but that's not the cops fault either)
Jeez have I seen a different video or what?!
Kid broke the law (in a minor matter.. traffic laws)
got seen by the police and felt like he'd be able to outsmart or outrun the police...
didn't felt like obeying the traffic rules now since he already broke them and crashed what looks like a third of a mile ahead of the cops' car.
Really.. next time it's the pontiac drivers fault since he should've heard the kid speeding and ignoring a stop sign or what?
Nononoooo... you do something wrong and get hurt in the process.. you need to at least have the cochones to blame noone but yourself.
'sid
KartFab
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This thread reminds me of a good quote:
'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'— Mark Twain
I believe the following:
1) Many people aren't taught to interact with police in the correct way.
2) Paranoia results from the lack of education and understanding, only seeing tv shows, listening to other opinionated friends about it. This paranoia is made worse when you have friends/relatives etc that break the law, then complain about how poorly they were treated by the police (eg when drunk driving, speeding, doing drugs etc). People that do this typically feel that the police are the instigators, and are extremely butt hurt because they feel their freedom to do whatever the heck they want has been taken away for absolutely no good reason.
3) said paranoia and lack of education only feeds the fight or flight; most basic instinct we all have.
4) A fight with police or flight from police usually ends in a butt kicking or worse for those paranoid individuals that think the police are out to get them.
It seems like many people do not want to take accountability for their actions, and feel entitled to not having their butt kicked when they do everything in their power to merit a butt kicking.
Now on the other side, the police have a pretty hard job sometimes. I dont buy this bullcrap about how they risk their lives everyday and how they are only looking out for our 'safety'. I think a lot of times the safety part is just used as an excuse for them to not feel bad for passing out so many speeding tickets to support their livelihood. I've had my fair share of speeding tickets. But one thing that I think needs to be pointed out is this:
Regardless of what you did, how you choose to react when approached by the police will determine how you are treated.
Unfortunately for a lot of stupid people, running and fighting is the reaction that leads to a poor outcome for all involved. After all, police do get treated like crap a lot and most become jaded to the excuses and bullcrap over time.
'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'— Mark Twain
I believe the following:
1) Many people aren't taught to interact with police in the correct way.
2) Paranoia results from the lack of education and understanding, only seeing tv shows, listening to other opinionated friends about it. This paranoia is made worse when you have friends/relatives etc that break the law, then complain about how poorly they were treated by the police (eg when drunk driving, speeding, doing drugs etc). People that do this typically feel that the police are the instigators, and are extremely butt hurt because they feel their freedom to do whatever the heck they want has been taken away for absolutely no good reason.
3) said paranoia and lack of education only feeds the fight or flight; most basic instinct we all have.
4) A fight with police or flight from police usually ends in a butt kicking or worse for those paranoid individuals that think the police are out to get them.
It seems like many people do not want to take accountability for their actions, and feel entitled to not having their butt kicked when they do everything in their power to merit a butt kicking.
Now on the other side, the police have a pretty hard job sometimes. I dont buy this bullcrap about how they risk their lives everyday and how they are only looking out for our 'safety'. I think a lot of times the safety part is just used as an excuse for them to not feel bad for passing out so many speeding tickets to support their livelihood. I've had my fair share of speeding tickets. But one thing that I think needs to be pointed out is this:
Regardless of what you did, how you choose to react when approached by the police will determine how you are treated.
Unfortunately for a lot of stupid people, running and fighting is the reaction that leads to a poor outcome for all involved. After all, police do get treated like crap a lot and most become jaded to the excuses and bullcrap over time.
Poboy kartman
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I agree Grant, and the unbelievable interpretations given to this incident go beyond logic. The kid was scared the cops were going to kill him....they tried to run him over....they got too close. The fact that he was killed in front of his house shows he was trying to get to a safe place....they shouldn't have INSTIGATED A HIGH SPEED CHASE?????
EXCUSE ME??? Police don't INSTIGATE high speed chases...they ATTEMPT traffic stops. What happens after that is up to the operator of the vehicle creating the infraction.
The kid was scared....he this...he that....BS.... you have no clue what was in that kids head and now nobody ever will.
As long as we're operating on pure speculation here...let me give you mine....this kid never for one second had any idea of stopping and was going to do what he did REGUARDLESS of WHAT the cops did. The cops should've done this...they should of done that...they were barely rolling when the idiot runs into the path of a car while flying through a stop sign. Now...just suppose a toddler had stepped out from one of those cars....this kid couldn't see or avoid a car...he could have killed another kid.
Now...it's tragic and sad...but people get killed for being stupid and doing stupid things. Youth is no free pass for stupid actions. The cops did not turn a simple riding a minibike in the street into a dangerous high speed chase...the kid did...and the cops simply tried to stop it BEFORE it started. All the kid had to do to was stop at the get-go. PERIOD.
No...the cops DID NOTHING WRONG! You can put your own uneducated twist on what the procedure should have been...but their single concern is not their egos or the single individual on the minibike...but the safety of everyone in his path...and the fact he failed miserably in controlling his own safety should show how totally inept or considerate he was of anyone elses.
EXCUSE ME??? Police don't INSTIGATE high speed chases...they ATTEMPT traffic stops. What happens after that is up to the operator of the vehicle creating the infraction.
The kid was scared....he this...he that....BS.... you have no clue what was in that kids head and now nobody ever will.
As long as we're operating on pure speculation here...let me give you mine....this kid never for one second had any idea of stopping and was going to do what he did REGUARDLESS of WHAT the cops did. The cops should've done this...they should of done that...they were barely rolling when the idiot runs into the path of a car while flying through a stop sign. Now...just suppose a toddler had stepped out from one of those cars....this kid couldn't see or avoid a car...he could have killed another kid.
Now...it's tragic and sad...but people get killed for being stupid and doing stupid things. Youth is no free pass for stupid actions. The cops did not turn a simple riding a minibike in the street into a dangerous high speed chase...the kid did...and the cops simply tried to stop it BEFORE it started. All the kid had to do to was stop at the get-go. PERIOD.
No...the cops DID NOTHING WRONG! You can put your own uneducated twist on what the procedure should have been...but their single concern is not their egos or the single individual on the minibike...but the safety of everyone in his path...and the fact he failed miserably in controlling his own safety should show how totally inept or considerate he was of anyone elses.
Kartorbust
Inmate #627
This maybe the same story, I'm not 100% sure. http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/157797604-story
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Poboy kartman
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Yep ...and it's gotta be the pooolices fault..."They wouldn't stop chasing him and they were trying to corner him down there....Trent was already there and he was going so fast and he turned around to see if they were following him and then he just couldn't stop."
Now we know where he got the stupid from.
Kartorbust
Inmate #627
Surprisingly there's a metric crap ton of videos similar to this on YouTube in this year alone. I can see why they say ride these off road or on private property...so stupid BS like this doesn't happen.
People are going to be stupid one way or another. I get that you might not have the land to ride on, I mean they recommend what 1/2-1 acres (1-2 hectares) for mini bikes and go karts minimum or do ATV/OHV trails.
I don't feel bad for motorcyclists who don't wear a helmet. I get that you have limited vision, but it'll save your life. Just last month, my uncle hit a deer on his motorcycle riding to work just 15 miles away at about 6:00am. He did have some memory loss, but the helmet probably saved his dome from more damage.
Yes this sucks, but he should have known better. Poor parenting I think.
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People are going to be stupid one way or another. I get that you might not have the land to ride on, I mean they recommend what 1/2-1 acres (1-2 hectares) for mini bikes and go karts minimum or do ATV/OHV trails.
I don't feel bad for motorcyclists who don't wear a helmet. I get that you have limited vision, but it'll save your life. Just last month, my uncle hit a deer on his motorcycle riding to work just 15 miles away at about 6:00am. He did have some memory loss, but the helmet probably saved his dome from more damage.
Yes this sucks, but he should have known better. Poor parenting I think.
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DeathMachine
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This is practically in my backyard, about a 10 minute drive from my house.
I have lived in this area my whole life, and I have worked as a TV repairman in that very neigborhood.
Let me tell you something about DPD.
They are not in the habit of chasing kids on minibikes.
They are not even in the habit of chasing speeders, drunk drivers, carjackers, or much else really.
In fact, DPD officers will recommend running red lights if there is no cross traffic, because carjackers wait at traffic crossings.
DPD has much bigger crimes to deal with.
So- this makes me wonder what ELSE was going on, mistaken identity, kid point a gun (real or fake) at the officer? What started the chase.
Something stinks about this. Cops don't even chase minibikes and go karts in my neighborhood, I use my mini or barstool to go to the convenience store or Dairy Queen. Kids ride them around here all the time.
I'm not blaming the kid or the cops, but I can tell you there is something more going on than what you see in that video.
I have lived in this area my whole life, and I have worked as a TV repairman in that very neigborhood.
Let me tell you something about DPD.
They are not in the habit of chasing kids on minibikes.
They are not even in the habit of chasing speeders, drunk drivers, carjackers, or much else really.
In fact, DPD officers will recommend running red lights if there is no cross traffic, because carjackers wait at traffic crossings.
DPD has much bigger crimes to deal with.
So- this makes me wonder what ELSE was going on, mistaken identity, kid point a gun (real or fake) at the officer? What started the chase.
Something stinks about this. Cops don't even chase minibikes and go karts in my neighborhood, I use my mini or barstool to go to the convenience store or Dairy Queen. Kids ride them around here all the time.
I'm not blaming the kid or the cops, but I can tell you there is something more going on than what you see in that video.
Kartorbust
Inmate #627
That's what I HATE about the news. They don't tell us jackdip about anything. They just pick and choose what details to give us, never the full story. Every news interview always gets butchered up or they narrate over the person talking and then cut to them in the news studio.
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Flyinhillbilly
The great cornholio
You guys are right, that was just blind speculation on my part on why the kid ran. We'll never know.
Kartorbust
Inmate #627
This one always comes to mind http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ps-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842
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Poboy kartman
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But of course....it was kill a black kid Tuesday...and they thought they'd try and run one over on a minibike to save ammunition. After giving it the old college try..they decided to conserve gasoline as well.
I know this is no joking matter....and to even post this in sarcasm is in poor taste...but to even mildly SUGGEST that these police officers intended to cause ANY injury to this kid whatsoever, much less were trying to kill him...is the epitome of inappropriate and injurious statement making.
Any cop with the slightest whim...could go out and find a bakers dozen of black men committing real crimes and do a righteous fatal drop totally above question. The bad guys are out there, they don't have to go after kids on minibikes.
The phrase "riding erratically " has been used consistently. Perhaps a more detailed, description is being withheld because of the tragic ending.
chancer
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You guys should Google this story. There is a little more to it. But not much.
Pretty much just a sad story. The kid was pretty innocent, riding his Mini in front of his house, just like most of us.
This was a recent story, read more about it and make a good decision.
I just cant say these cops were "totally" innocent, and Trust me it KILLS me to say that.
The Kid was Stupid too but most 14yr olds are!
Pretty much just a sad story. The kid was pretty innocent, riding his Mini in front of his house, just like most of us.
This was a recent story, read more about it and make a good decision.
I just cant say these cops were "totally" innocent, and Trust me it KILLS me to say that.
The Kid was Stupid too but most 14yr olds are!
DeathMachine
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I have no idea what really happened there, but I can tell you it is highly irregular for cops to chase a kid on a mini bike in Detroit. There was something else going on, and there is a good chance the kid on the mini bike had nothing to do with it beyond being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
chancer
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Google the news reports not just the video. There was nothing more to it!
The cops drove senselessly, dangerously and recklessly, cause they saw a mini bike driving "erratically"
The cops drove senselessly, dangerously and recklessly, cause they saw a mini bike driving "erratically"
DeathMachine
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That is the 'official' report.
What I am saying, is in 55 years of living in the area I have never seen or heard of a cop chasing a kid on a mini bike.
Even in the near suburbs where I live, it takes a direct complaint from a neighbor, and then all the cop does is park in the street and wait for the mini biker to ride by. All they do is block the street at most.
It's tough to get the DPD out for a shooting, they won't even answer a mini bike call.
There is a lot that goes on in Detroit that does not make the mainstream media.
chancer
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and everything you said there sounds true and legit.
I cannot find an official police answer online as to why that cop acted that way. It was out of character for the DPD, and that neighborhood.
That is the ONLY reason I fault "this" cop.
I DO NOT buy into the media narrative that ALL COPS are RACIST. It just is not true.
Clearly there are 1 or 2 bad eggs in every department.
I cannot find an official police answer online as to why that cop acted that way. It was out of character for the DPD, and that neighborhood.
That is the ONLY reason I fault "this" cop.
I DO NOT buy into the media narrative that ALL COPS are RACIST. It just is not true.
Clearly there are 1 or 2 bad eggs in every department.
DeathMachine
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I completely agree.
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