Powerland 420cc GAB 2.0

[bob58o]

Ok, 15 minutes for the copper spray to tack up, then I've got some copper-based thread lubricant (VersaChem Anti-Seize). If I had Nickle-based I'd probably use that. Time to torque the bolts. I've got a 12mm socket about two inches long and my torque wrench is ready to go. Going to lube the threads and the washers/underside of bolt head. The threads in the block were cleaned with carb cleaner and the air compressor.
https://www.amazon.com/Versachem-13109-Anti-Seize-Thread-Lubricant/dp/B0002JN57E

 

[bob58o]

Never made it to 30 ft lbs.

10 click.
20 click.
.....
Then it got easier to turn.

 

[chancer]

Well at least you were correct to ask a legit Question.
Too bad it did not even make it to factory specs.

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So excited, I put my head in a box and shipped it to Michigan.
.

Imagine..

 

[Randy H]

That sucks

http://www.repairengineering.com/thread-repair.html

 

[Denny]

Carnage pictures please! Did you Loctite red the end of the studs in the block and let it set up before you tried tightening them?



Denny

 

[Flyinhillbilly]

I'm thinking it was a lube issue. I always use arp lube with arp bolts. I've seen wheel studs pulled in two at 100ft/lbs when anti seized up real good.

 

[chancer]

Carnage pictures please! Did you Loctite red the end of the studs in the block and let it set up before you tried tightening them?

He used Bolts not studs

 

[Randy H]

Any substance being compressed in a bind hole can create tremendous hydrauilic pressure. That and what FHB said.

 

[bob58o]

I was thinking cause I milled 0.085"????
And reduced gasket thickness by another 0.015" or so.

And then used same sized bolts.
I did add washers that weren't there however

 

[bob58o]

So after a long night of looking up how to use Heli-Coils and the differences between Heli-Coil and Time Sert Thread Repair Kits, I decided to look up prices for replacement blocks and/or new engines all together. Powerland is extinct I think. Only offering the 390 which is out of stock. Northern Tool has a $229 420cc with free in-store pickup.


So I figured I'd take a look at what I've done.....
I was going to back out the bolts, but I only had my Torque Wrench. ARC Video taught me to only use the Torque wrench in 1 direction.

So I set it back to 30 ft lbs and turned that sumnaB til it said CLICK!!!!!!!!

Then I repeated on the other 3 bolts.
Then 40 ft lbs.
Then 45 ft lbs.

I'm not sure what happened between 20 and 30 ft lbs, but it happened on every bolt. Maybe something with the washer?? I don't know and am no longer concerned.

I need to mount the engine before I try to torque any more, IF I try to torque any more. I don't think I'm comfortable with a 130 lb girl sitting on my engine while I press on the exhaust and pull the wrench. My exhaust might get hurt.


If I could dance, I probably would. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDOFseZA-iI

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Carnage pictures please! Did you Loctite red the end of the studs in the block and let it set up before you tried tightening them?



Denny

I guess there will be no carnage photos after all

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I'm thinking it was a lube issue. I always use arp lube with arp bolts. I've seen wheel studs pulled in two at 100ft/lbs when anti seized up real good.

I thought about getting the recommended ARP Lube and then thought any lube would be as good. I hate being sold extra stuff I don't need and am a skeptic. I went with antiseize because I felt the 54 ft lbs was high already. I normally just use motor oil with stock bolts.

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Can't find the valve lash specs in the PD420 manual.
I'll use what I saw in the Predator 420cc manual.

Intake 0.10 - 0.15mm
Exhaust 0.15mm - 0.20mm

So I'll try 0.004" Intake
and also 0.006" Exhaust

 

[Flyinhillbilly]

If they clicked at 30 with anti sieze all over them I wouldn't go any farther. They are tight as h3ll as is.

 

[bob58o]

If they clicked at 30 with anti sieze all over them I wouldn't go any farther. They are tight as h3ll as is.

They Clicked at 45 ft lbs with the AS. I guess I'm finished. Thanks for the help.

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Valve lash is set. I want 0.004 and 0.006, so I set to 0.003" and 0.005". Should open up a bit with use. If not performance gains. LOL

1/1000 of and inch never hurt no body.

 

[bob58o]

It....

 

[bob58o]

Is....

 

[bob58o]

Starting...

 

[bob58o]

To...

 

[bob58o]

Come....

 

[bob58o]

Together!

 

[bob58o]

It weighs 70lbs dry.

 

[bob58o]

I think I have the governor / throttle linkage set up the way it was, but it doesn't seem right. I'll get some pics or a video on Tuesday at the latest.

I watched KartFab's video and looked at some diagrams, but the way it is seems to keep the butterfly wide open when the throttle lever is in the idle position. I hate governors.