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why are amercian and brithish troops in iraq

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honda-gx-power

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I would cheer if the head of our country was hung aswell.
9/11 was down to bush, ignorence is someone that invades someone else country
 

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um who helped that 'awful dictator' into power?

who gave the Teleban their guns?

Its all about money money money. Not freedom, democracy or weapons of mass destruction. Thats just fox news spec propaganda

Not that im anti USA or anything :roflol: sorry

Your info is quite skewed. We supplied the Taliban, mostly in Afghanistan, not Iraq (where the "awful dictator" you speak of ruled), with weapons to win their independence from being taken over. Sounds to me like a good way to make allies. But that doesn't matter because it's not what their religion calls for, and that is the final decision.

Its pure ignorance to think the problem will go away if we go away.

Let them recoup and they will be blowing up your subways and our buildings again. Hell they even attacked Russia, and Russia didn't get involved!

It doesn't matter to them, all they want is for you to die, been that way for thousands of years. Never going to change.

This is dead on accurate. The Koran calls for the death of all "infidels", or anyone not a Muslim. Not only that, but the Shiites and Sunnis have been in conflict for longer than the US has been around. As soon as they are on their own, factions will rise to power and radical ideas will take over. It's happened before, and it will happen again. Democracy seems great over there, but religion dominates over law. Heck, religion is law. Ans religion calls for the death of all infidels.

1. Your still on the oil thing? Seriously its ignorant, you need to read up on the latest findings of our new oil fields. You also dont realise why we buy the majority of our oil, we are buying theirs so when it runs out, we still have ours. Self preservation at its finest.

2. We were content to let Iraq alone for 10 years after Desert Storm when Saddam killed thousand of people with gas.

After 9/11, everybody wanted revenge. Intel was given and Intel was acted upon. Saddam did have WMD's, this was true since the Clinton days. Both our governments knew Saddam had scud missles laden with bio-chemical bombs. We knew Saddam moved weapons to Syria.

And then Saddam was hung by his neck, the people of Iraq cheered. Go figure, we are such bad bad people.


1. The oil thing IS total ignorance. Buy their gas (them being middle eastern countries such as the UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc.) then, once they've dried up, drill ours and be self sustaining.

2. We wanted nothing to do with Iraq, as said, because, quite frankly it didn't involve us. There are many terrible dictators in control of countries now. When we were attacked on 9/11, we went in to Afghanistan, not Iraq. We went into Afghanistan in pursuit of Osama bil Laden, and will probably remain there until he is found, dead or alive. We entered Iraq because there was intel pointing to Iraq have WMDs. Although there were not found in Iraq, it is believed that Saddam had biohazardous weapons in his possession, somewhere. He doesn't any more.

Remember the videos of his statue being pulled down by a tank? What did the oppressed people do? Immediately jump on the statue's head and beat it with their shoes, one of the most disrespectful things in middle eastern culture. I don't think we are there for their oil, but to protect our own butts and take down a man who hated our country for everything we believe in, religion included. We removed him from power and hung him, now we have to establish a government and get it rolling.
 

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This is dead on accurate. The Koran calls for the death of all "infidels", or anyone not a Muslim. Not only that, but the Shiites and Sunnis have been in conflict for longer than the US has been around. As soon as they are on their own, factions will rise to power and radical ideas will take over. It's happened before, and it will happen again. Democracy seems great over there, but religion dominates over law. Heck, religion is law. Ans religion calls for the death of all infidels.

Ive never read the Qur'an, but Im pretty sure this whole notion of "infidels must die" isnt in it.
 

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Ive never read the Qur'an, but Im pretty sure this whole notion of "infidels must die" isnt in it.

Oh it most certainly is

"And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." (Qur'an, 2:190-192)

Make your own assumptions, religion like law, is open to interpretation. Some(fanatics) take it too liberally. Others(nice nations and people) view it as marching orders should they ever be attacked in their home as when they were back when Islam was first created.

I couldnt make this crap up.
 

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Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

IMO, it isn't taken out of context by so called radicals, it is just interpreted literally.
 

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I do think the jihadists or "osama Muslims" do take it too literally, and take it out of context themselves when it suits their bloodthirst.

It's all a shame really.
 

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I'm doing a lot of reading in this thread, and not a lot of responding. Why? For if I say what I believe to be the truth based on years of observations and a few very informative books, I'm afraid I may just have to ban myself! My comments are about as far south of politically correct as you can possibly imagine, and although this is "off topic", well- I suppose there are limits.

Allow me to say that I am agreeing wholeheartedly with Redsox and Critical Mass. Certain others here need to do a wee bit more socio-political research, and stop listening to the overabundance of bleeding heart, Starbucks-drinking liberals...

Oh, yeah- one other thing. If this had anything to do with taking oil, don't you suppose "we" would've just nuked the entire middle east and TAKEN the dammed oil by now?????
 

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Hurricane Katrina was bushes fault too. The man is just all over the place. I mean first he's flying jets into buildings, next he's conjuring up cyclones!

He must be an evil wizard!
 

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so your saying usa and uk troops over there taking oil petrol and leaving them with nothing then getting there own from there own country, and you think thats ok.
Bush is behind the 9/11, im going to get my girlfriend to find the documentary on the 9/11 and post it.
I still have no answer on why usa an uk troops even went there in first place.
There are loads of muslim countrys that are chilled and afgan iraq would are chilled if left alone.
War is about profit lets face it, there over there steeling like redsox is saying but in better words to make it sound like there not doing wrong.
usa and uk are bad for what they have done and what there still doing.
I keep hearing people saying what im saying is ignorant, invading someone elses country is PURE ignorant.]
Just think of all the lifes lost of are troops and familys that suffer from it, all because of steeling and making profit
 

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Yeah bush just whooped out his Texas sized balls and dropped them on the seafloor near japan. he didn't mean to cause a tremor that big though.

Omg the 9-11 documentary. made by a college kid with tricky editing. you are what normal people call a 9-11 truther.

You are right about one thing, war drives profits for some. But it is asinine to think we are stealing oil. You really need to quit watching that documentary and read some FACTS. Multiple sources, cross reference and open your eyes to some knowledge, then make an informed opinion.
 

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quote Oh, yeah- one other thing. If this had anything to do with taking oil, don't you suppose "we" would've just nuked the entire middle east and TAKEN the dammed oil by now?????[/QUOTE]


there staying and taking bit by bit and covering everthing up bit by bit as there going along, if they nuked them and robbed them then they would look even worse,
im british and its us thats doing it aswell as the yanks so im not just discriminating the yanks
And whos saying anything about the japan thing no one , so what you talking japan for at all.
bin laden didnt do 9/11 or he would have admitted to it and been proud of it
 

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Thats what you call greed. Are fuel prices are £1.32 a litre and thats a joke at that.
And who ever is incharged of the country is incharge of the fuel prices.
Your goverment dont think yeah we got loads of oil and fuel for nothing lets drop the price of fuel in the usa and uk, . they just put price up a bit as they do every so often anyway
 
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