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why are amercian and brithish troops in iraq

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Why are amercian and british troops in iraq??
why did they go there in first place??
everyday you here british hero dead in iraq, all these single wifes bringing kids up on there own where the kids wont see there dads again, why??
amercian and british troops should be pulled out of iraq.
bullying them for there oil thats all there doing.
 

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This is a question not a suggestion
Why are amercian and british troops in iraq??
why did they go there in first place??
everyday you here british hero dead in iraq, all these single wifes bringing kids up on there own where the kids wont see there dads again, why??
amercian and british troops should be pulled out of iraq.
bullying them for there oil thats all there doing.

Perhaps you live under a rock. Troops pulled out(for the most part) months ago.
 

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Thats what they tell us but they have just took over a place where there is a large amount of oil in iraq.
They tell us one british soldier dies in a jeep as its blown up off a road side bomb,
but really they was 4 of them in it but they only declare there was 1.
The amount of lifes lost in this is a joke, why did they even invade there.
Amercian and british troops have not been pulled out.
Bullying!! Thats all the yanks an brits are doing!!.
when you hear of british or yank soldiers dying by this or that, i think 'they had it coming to them'.. Obviously you cant expect to go killing iraq people and not get shot at or blown up by them.
When you see our troops playing football with iraq kids on the news and stuff like that, well thats just a front to say "where doing no harm here".
bullys stealing oil thats what there doing, and people that steel should be punished as other people that steel do.
i know this is not the site to talk about this, but the site is full of americans so im just wondering what your opinion is on this.
I see the funeral of british troops on tv every week and see the soldiers mums, dads and wifes crying and just think if all this bullying was not going on these upsets and deaths wouldnt be happing,
 

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First, it's not about oil. It just so happens that the countries in question tend to be oil-producing countries. They also happen to be insane.

However, the big point I want to make here is something I have said many, many times before. Support your troops. If you do not agree with what they are doing, that's your right. But the soldiers do what they are commanded to do. No more, no less. To say they "have it coming" is, IMO, incredibly ignorant. These people have sworn to serve their respective countries, and they are indeed doing that. If you don't like what your troops are doing, blame your government, not the troops. They are brave and honourable.

If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.

EDIT- My kart is causing global cooling, apparently. Temp's gone down here 6* in about 2 hrs...
 

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First, it's not about oil. It just so happens that the countries in question tend to be oil-producing countries. They also happen to be insane.

usa dont care if countries are run by insane men. They've helped put alot of insane men into power all over the place

tis all about maintaining influence and profits

maybe
 

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From my understanding, the Bush administration, invaded as they had evidence that there was weapons of mass destruction. Now what 7 years(?) on and they haven't found anything. So why not pull out? I think its more because the Bush administration felt they needed to hit someone in the Arab-Muslim world after September 11 and will continue until they fell they are even.

Not that I fully agree with what has been done, TS is 110% right. Soldiers are told what to do, sure they have to take some responsibility for their own decisions. But the overall decision is influenced by superiority.

Why is this the place not to talk about it? This is the Off Topic forum, isn't it?

Jeremy.
 

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look what happened after the vetnam war

the troops were hated after that and that generation realy felt it even though most of the troops did nothing wrong they just followed orders


fun fact (or not so)
the faukland war (british)
more people comited suicide after the war than died in the acctual war
 

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I believe we invaded due to threats of WMDs. We found nothing, but did take down an awful dictator and establish a democracy, to an extent. Why we remain, I'm not sure, but I try to avoid this stuff because my family loves their Fox News and it annoys the heck out of me. Not that I disagree, I have conservative views, but Fox rams it down your throat and my family loves Fox, so I just stay out of it.
 

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I believe we invaded due to threats of WMDs. We found nothing, but did take down an awful dictator and establish a democracy, to an extent. Why we remain, I'm not sure, but I try to avoid this stuff because my family loves their Fox News and it annoys the heck out of me. Not that I disagree, I have conservative views, but Fox rams it down your throat and my family loves Fox, so I just stay out of it.

The few troops that remain there are supposed to be helping the Iraqi's keep everything under control.

The only news I'll watch is ABC because its NEWS and not OPINIONS like on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.
 

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I only watch local news and occasionally hit up the BBC because I like to get on outside opinion on the US. Also, the news app on my phone pulls from thousands of sources, even local newspapers, so that provides varying opinions and facts. I like to see the whole story when I look at news. I'll gave to check ABC, as I've given up on mainstream US tv news entirely.
 

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If you guys want a better insight into the news outlets, go to the little kid section of the library and read the Dr. Seuss book about the Sneeches. This story also applies to political parties. Somewhere there is a guy selling a magic box and making tons of cash while the little people argue about whose side is better than the other. I think Dr. Seuss knew what he was talking about.

Getting back to Major General Smedley Butler, check out the wikipedia link I posted above. Have you ever wondered what the term "banana republic" means? Today people use the term when referring to any stupid little country that doesn't make a bit of difference in the world. It originally referred to tropical countries (mainly Honduras and Guatemala) that were taken over by corporations to export bananas to the USA and Europe.

It's instructive to look back at the story of the banana republics, because most of that history has been forgotten 100 years later. Now you just go to the store and buy bananas, but you don't think about the fact that United Fruit essentially bought and paid for entire countries so you could build up their fortune a nickel at a time. (and they got the CIA to overthrow democratically elected governments, to protect their business interests.)

Read the wikipedia article on banana republics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

Once you know how the story goes it makes sense, mostly because you're not caught up in the political and economic scene that was in place 100 years ago. You haven't chosen sides or filled yourself with righteous anger about some issue that the media keeps beating to death. The next step is to understand that this is the same process that happens over and over, and is still happening in various countries today, wherein our soldiers go around the world and secure resources, markets and labor pools for big companies. Don't kid yourself, the USA and Britain don't care if a country has an unjust government, or if people are suffering, or any other worthy cause. If they did, they would have invaded several dozen other rotten countries around the world already. The only ones that matter are the ones that have something valuable that can be taken away.

This process goes back a lot farther than the banana republic. The privileged few have always taken whatever they want from the masses. And they've always ordered soldiers to go to war for them. We think it's different today because feudalism is over, the African slave trade ended over 100 years ago, the Roman empire fell, the opium wars are in the past, etc. But history always repeats itself.

Check out a book called Western Civilization by Jackson Spielvogel. It was one of my college textbooks about 15 years ago, and I've been re-reading it lately. Or read any other history of Western civilization. Don't take a class, just read the book. (classes usually make you stupid, but books are enlightening.) It's really amazing how clear the big picture becomes when you see the same process being repeated over and over and over, and over, etc, etc.

Come to think of it, you don't need to read big books any more. You can read all of this stuff on wikipedia nowadays. For a greater understanding of any modern topic, history is far better than news or current opinions. The wikipedia article on banana republics really sounds familiar when you consider world politics in general.
 

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**** global warming causing go-karts, the EPA should shut this website down!

I won't get into the politics anymore, I get too fired up.
 

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I believe we invaded due to threats of WMDs. We found nothing, but did take down an awful dictator and establish a democracy, to an extent.

um who helped that 'awful dictator' into power?

who gave the Teleban their guns?

Its all about money money money. Not freedom, democracy or weapons of mass destruction. Thats just fox news spec propaganda

Not that im anti USA or anything :roflol: sorry
 

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Because Mr Bush had to show off to his daddy, mostly.

But seriously, what makes you think the middle east is such a bad place? It's a culture that's been around for thousands of years, why are there terrorist attacks an so on? You guys should see what you've done over there, 9-11 is nothing in comparison. Just because they don't fit in with our western culture doesn't mean we should kill them or force that culture upon them.

But ultimately, war happens because someone thinks they can profit from it, to that person, usually the high up wanker in the suit, your life means $$$$ and that's a trade they are willing to make.

Thanks

Hayden
 

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^^^ was thinking that but didnt want to right it down

everyone i know who has been over there says everyone is very polite and nice tempered
 
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