What ive been up to...

[brandongeiger2]

Well since i cant work on or finish the contest dues to an injury ive been playing with electronics and HHO (i know its dangerous but quite interesting haha) i bought a little 400W 12V computer power supply and modified it so i could run leads to my + and- pegs on top of my cell...i dont know how many people have heard of HHO generators but there alot of fun haha here are some pictures!

 

[fowler]

what is a HHO generator?

hydrogen generator?

 

[ryf]

I have played with them alot, they are neat, there are some people who claim sucking the hydrogen/oxygen gas mix into an engine makes for increased fuel economy, never tried that though. I made mine out of cheapo stainless steel outlet blanks, works great and cheap. its only dangerous if your doing it indoors lool. I have seen videos of people who make "gasless" lawn mowers with these, but they still have to charge (and push around) a fairly big battery to power the unit, so not really sure its worth it. what are you trying to power with it? or just playing with the bubbles with a lighter?

the idea is you electrify plates which seperate water into hydrogen and oxygen, both of which are very flammable compared to the source material, you can turn water into fire lol.

 

[brandongeiger2]

RYF has it i really didnt have any idea where id go with it but im using a 7 plate configuration with stainless wall plates too i had to flatten one for the positive terminal but im thinking it would be fun to try out on a lawn mower or a car i think it could work but the computer could not even notice the hydrogen and keep on telling the injectors to inject the same amount of fuel im sure the AM sensor and O2 sensors would have some sort of issue..

 

[fowler]

well use an older car

i image rejetting is a must

would like to see somone do paticulaly as they are testing hydrogen tractors and hydrogen cars are already working well

 

[r97]

I think you should ditch the on-board fuel cell Idea. Ideally I think you would want to generate the hydrogen, compress it, then put the tank right on the vehicle and run the gas into the engine. Of course I'm not an engineer or anything so there is probably a reason not to do that, but I still like it better than what Honda is running in their hydrogen cars. They turn Hydrogen and oxygen into water to generate electricity which goes to motors (more efficient) at each wheel. Only reason I don't like that is because they take away my engine!

 

[flowerman]

If you like this idea of creating electricity with hydrogen and oxygen and that kind of stuff you'll find this interesting.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hy....,cf.osb&fp=f0322bb914e2729f&biw=1024&bih=644

Edit: sorry my YouTube is not working correctly on my computer but what I am talking about is that first video of the hydrogen fuel cell bike...

 

[brandongeiger2]

I think you should ditch the on-board fuel cell Idea. Ideally I think you would want to generate the hydrogen, compress it, then put the tank right on the vehicle and run the gas into the engine. Of course I'm not an engineer or anything so there is probably a reason not to do that, but I still like it better than what Honda is running in their hydrogen cars. They turn Hydrogen and oxygen into water to generate electricity which goes to motors (more efficient) at each wheel. Only reason I don't like that is because they take away my engine!

I thought of that honestly having tanks of compressed hydrogen would probably weigh more or about the same as a cell and compressed hydrogen has a tendency to explode did anyone hear about the hydrogen filling station in cali that exploded?
Maybe getting a kart to run on hydrogen could be my next project???

 

[brandongeiger2]

If you like this idea of creating electricity with hydrogen and oxygen and that kind of stuff you'll find this interesting.

interesting but i think we should keep the internal combustion engine around for a little longer and that bike is alot slower than it looks! 8hp haha

 

[jman231994]

I think you should ditch the on-board fuel cell Idea. Ideally I think you would want to generate the hydrogen, compress it, then put the tank right on the vehicle and run the gas into the engine. Of course I'm not an engineer or anything so there is probably a reason not to do that, but I still like it better than what Honda is running in their hydrogen cars. They turn Hydrogen and oxygen into water to generate electricity which goes to motors (more efficient) at each wheel. Only reason I don't like that is because they take away my engine!

One answer....Hindenburg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F54rqDh2mWA ........its volatile stuff lol

In saying that I agree, compressed hydrogen is the only way to go unless you can create an incredibly efficient hydrogen generator that can produce enough off solar panels on a car.....or a super powerful solar cell lol

Either way your going to be carrying either heavy tanks of hydrogen, or lightweight tanks, full of water, which would probably end up heavier again lol......We drive around with petrol in the back of our cars......Hydrogen cant be that much worse

 

[brandongeiger2]

hydrogen, or lightweight tanks, full of water, which would probably end up heavier again lol......We drive around with petrol in the back of our cars......Hydrogen cant be that much worse

You know what i didnt even think about that if one ran on 100% hydrogen they could remove the tank if the tank holds 21 gallons of fuel that cuts weight to right around 130 lbs which is almost as much as me haha

I just read WATER WEIGHS 8.3 POUNDS PER GALLON! ohh my but you can drive a car on a gallon of water for a good hour or so i guess it sort of evens itself out

But who cares about weight and efficiency(to an extent) when your car runs on a very cheap substance that emits water vapor when burned....seems too perfect haha

 

[brandongeiger2]

Heres a video of my cell other videos will go up tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvmOwz3O2-I

 

[jman231994]

Haha, I never thought about looking into how much water you would need Ok, converting it onboard would probably be better in that case, either way, if you put water in and get water out who cares.....In theory you could collect the exhaust water and use it again hahaha

 

[brandongeiger2]

Haha, I never thought about looking into how much water you would need Ok, converting it onboard would probably be better in that case, either way, if you put water in and get water out who cares.....In theory you could collect the exhaust water and use it again hahaha

right its possible becuse the remaining water vapor has to condense so if there was an exhaust to collect it it would beeven more efficiant and the water would be cleaner

 

[jman231994]

SHOULD be cleaner! odds are it would carry the rubbish through with it and end up getting brought back in somewhere along the line

You could do away with an exhaust altogether and just have a condensation chamber to recollect and drain the water

 

[brandongeiger2]

Ohh thats a good idea but since its a standard internal combustion engine(if were on the same page here) it would need some kind of exhaust

by cleaner i mean once its run through the engine and the water vapor condenses it would be distilled and if it ran through the "exhaust" it could pick up any build up or dirt making it dirty like you said but i dont think here would be much carbon built up

 

[jman231994]

OH, my mistake I'm still thinking of fuel cells lol

 

[brandongeiger2]

Ohh haha thats what i thought! dont worry about it are you going to be building one???

 

[devino246]

From the little bit I've read of this thread, it seems that people think Hydrogen is some miracle element. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. You can't get something for nothing, alot for a little, etc.

Fuel cells are inefficient; approximately 20% of the energy is lost from hydrogen production to load source (engine, light, etc).

If you were to mount solar panels to generate hydrogen, you would be much better off simply routing the electricity generated to batteries/the motor. If using solar power for hydrolysis and burning what is created, you're losing a significant amount of energy in the form of heat.

The best use of hydrogen may be to generate it in a manufacturing plant supplied by renewable resources and to then compress it for use in motor vehicles. It would be dangerous, however. I don't have the confidence in the average person to fill up their car with pressurized Hydrogen. As Youtube can show you, some people can't even fill gasoline correctly.

 

[brandongeiger2]

From the little bit I've read of this thread, it seems that people think Hydrogen is some miracle element. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. You can't get something for nothing, alot for a little, etc.

Fuel cells are inefficient; approximately 20% of the energy is lost from hydrogen production to load source (engine, light, etc).

If you were to mount solar panels to generate hydrogen, you would be much better off simply routing the electricity generated to batteries/the motor. If using solar power for hydrolysis and burning what is created, you're losing a significant amount of energy in the form of heat.

The best use of hydrogen may be to generate it in a manufacturing plant supplied by renewable resources and to then compress it for use in motor vehicles. It would be dangerous, however. I don't have the confidence in the average person to fill up their car with pressurized Hydrogen. As Youtube can show you, some people can't even fill gasoline correctly.

Good point... its really more for fun, at this point i'm just thinking of possibilities but its a really interesting concept i've wavered on actually perusing for the last year or so.