Yeah, I think I used the same stuff as Tyler for my kids' kart, and dang it's heavy. Good thing it's got reall LOW gearing, or else that PA 4-horse wouldn't have a prayer! I really went overboard first time outta the gate. The tube was free, so I jumped at it, but as I learn things, the less happy I am with it. It's not even done yet, and I'm debating rebuilding the frame. Sick, huh?