tired thought of the night, man gearing...

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Idk, tired and working and something came to mind. Anyone ever think about doing a manually activated gearing set up? Like have a cent clutch chained to a jack shaft with 3 pullies of different sizes, each belted to another jackshaft with 3 other pullies and a single out hooked to the tire drive sprocket, each pully belt having a manually activated tensioner?

Say 1st gear would be 10:1, 2nd 8:1, 3rd 6:1. Start off with the 1st gear tensioner engaged, reach it, s top speed, let off throttle, disengage 1st, engage second, throttle up, so on for 3rd?

Idk like I said, exhausted thought lol. Here's a pic to try and better understand. Yes I know my drawings crap, and the pully match ups are wrong, it's just a general reference.
 

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possibly? The belts would probably get trashed quickly as they would have to take the brunt of the force between gears.

Plus, i get the feeling that it would be cheaper to buy a $100 torque converter.

3 belts at $15 ea
6 pulleys at $12 ea
3 tensioners at $8 ea
Two jackshafts
4 pillow block bearings

It would be cool to see you try it though.
 

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I forget where it was, but a fellow made that system and it didn't work as well as expected.
Alot of slip and tensioning was difficult. The therory is great, but the actual building and running are alot different.
 

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Pullys are free, have a bunch of old cast ones laying around. Belts I would use are automotive v belts, that I also have laying around $5 each for replacements. Tensioner system would be fabbed up by me, near free, well maybe $10 for the threaded rods. I could make some jackshafts, it's really not that hard just cut some steel stock the proper size and thread the ends/make some reliefs for the keys or set screws. Pillow blocks I would have to buy, and I actually don't have a clutch yet cause I'm still in the planning/frame building stage, but ya fairly cheap.

I actually had another thought about it again when I woke up, and started doing a little research. I found someone that's tried it before, except they used a pully on the engine instead of a clutch, and it worked fairly well... except the aforementioned constant breaking of belts because of strain. Now I've had 2 thoughts on this. 1: of course the drive pully was constantly putting strain on the system because it's constantly going and when you apply a tensioner to shift it drags across the belt for a split second, friction, heat, premature belt failure. I would eliminate this via the clutch. You disengage the tensioner on that gearset, let off the gas which disengages the clutch, which takes the friction out of the system. You then engage the next tensioner and hit the gas bringing the cluth to reengage and deliver power.

Possibly maybe might work, but still would get belt failure just not as much.

2nd thought: if the whole system is in straight line it puts more undo pressure on the spot where the tensioner engages. Let me explain my train of thought here. If the tensioner is pulling back toward the driver, which would be easiest for a mechanical manual tensioner, and the jackshafts are in line horizontally it means it's going to pull the belt toward the driver instead of down. If it does that it's causing friction because the belt is never going to fully engage the tensioner. The way to combat this is to have the jackshafts in line vertically, one on top of the other, belts coming down from one to the other straight down. You could then have a simple tensioner system that pulls the belts tight, pulling the vertical belts toward the front. This would allow the system to engage fully on all pullies/tensioner.

Again though, this is just a thought I had while exhausted and working. I personally would LOVE a manual gearing set up (would really love if I could figure out how to do it with chains) but at this point IDK if it would be feasible at all. I was actually planning on saving up for a tav2 since it's only like $100, but would really love to have something manual instead.
 

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I would like to see an attempt made at this, I've had similar ideas that, due to funds were unable to come to a reality.
 

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I may throw onr togethet down the road, but as of right now I'm still going with a tav2. Would be a gun experiment though, but something that will sit on a back burner for a bit. Mainly I just wanted thoughts/ideas on it.
 

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Just a thought. Tripped across the Downs Brothers Manual clutch while recently surfing around. I have no idea how good they are but I wonder if you could direct drive a jack shaft as you suggested. The jack shaft would then have three clutches on it each with its own gear ratio similar to your design. Then you'd have to come up with a shifting mechanism that would allow you to efficiently engage/disengage each of the clutches.

http://www.minichopperssocal.com/MINIBIKE-MANUAL-CLUTCH.html
 

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Just to throw my hat in the ring, my riding mower works on a belt drive system with a twin pulley which has a sliding centre sheave (a bit like a torque converter); when tension is applied to the drive belt, it forces the centre sheave down, forcing the driven belt out, increasing the ratio... just a thought...
 

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Just to throw my hat in the ring, my riding mower works on a belt drive system with a twin pulley which has a sliding centre sheave (a bit like a torque converter); when tension is applied to the drive belt, it forces the centre sheave down, forcing the driven belt out, increasing the ratio... just a thought...
More commonly known as MTD's infamous Vari-Drive! :D
 

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I had thought about building a manual transmission using chain.

The input shaft would have a drive sprocket, that slides up and down the shaft, with an idler sprocket on the end of an arm. The sprocket and arm would travel back and forth on the shaft to select gears.

The output shaft, would have several sizes of sprockets, and the arm and idler, and chain from the input shaft would drop onto one of these spockets to select a gear. The arm holding the chain and idler gear would have an edge on it, and the frame holding the drive sprockets would have alignment edges as well, so when you go to put it in a gear, it aligns perfectly before the chain drops on the sprocket.

I actually think it would work well, but it would take someone with better welding and engineering skills than myself.
It would also take the need, which I don't quite see. You can buy manual transmissions for pretty cheap.
Like I said, I thought of it, cause I needed one, but I ended up using a manual transmission. It was way cheaper than all the sprockets and chain would have been.
 

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forget about the downs brothers manual clutch. thayve had problems and im not sure if theyre even selling them anymore. But the idea sounds good. It would work best on a light kart or minibike thats used mostly on pavement. Just to keep the load at a minimum so the belts will hold up. but the clutch will certainly help alot with that. Youll definatly need guards to keep it from getting wet but other than that I think itll work fine
 
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