Thoughts on these carts...

[TXST8tj]

Where can I learn more about this GY6 engine? Is it going to have enough power to move my son and I around? Any way to 'hop' it up some?

Would there be any issue with swapping the push button start for a keyed ignition? I like the idea of keeping the control of the cart being started....vs my 5 year old going for a joy ride when I'm not around.

 

[landuse]

Have a look at these?? Google can be your friend

http://www.thegy6place.co.uk/#/the-gy6-engine/4536414354
http://planetminis.com/forums/gy6-scooter/164755-about-gy6-technical-info.html
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=5178
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=5296

 

[OzFab]

Would there be any issue with swapping the push button start for a keyed ignition? I like the idea of keeping the control of the cart being started....vs my 5 year old going for a joy ride when I'm not around.

There's two ways of doing that.
1. Leave the push button in place but reroute the started through a 2 position (on/off) key switch which simply acts as an isolator, meaning you can push the button as much as you like, it won't do anything unless the key is switched on.

2. Replace the push button with a 3 position (on/off/start) key switch.

 

[TXST8tj]

Have a look at these?? Google can be your friend

http://www.thegy6place.co.uk/#/the-gy6-engine/4536414354
http://planetminis.com/forums/gy6-scooter/164755-about-gy6-technical-info.html
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=5178
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=5296

Understood. Wouldn't have much use for this site if I went to Google for everything. Nice thing about a forum is the community of people happy to share knowledge with each other.
I would rather get educated from people on an isolated forum like this one that have experience, than mindlessly search Google.

Thank you for the links though.

 

[OzFab]

We are always suggesting that people use google in conjunction with this forum. The simple fact is, even as a collective, we don't know everything.

 

[landuse]

We are always suggesting that people use google in conjunction with this forum. The simple fact is, even as a collective, we don't know everything.

I agree. I always try and google stuff before posing a question on the forum.

@TXST8tj - I am not trying to put you down. I am just suggesting that google might know more than we do

 

[jamyers]

Where can I learn more about this GY6 engine? Is it going to have enough power to move my son and I around? Any way to 'hop' it up some?
...

Tons of info on GY6's online, not so much here - putting GY6's in karts is a newish thing, most karts have Tecumseh/Briggs/Clone/Etc type engines. I've learned a LOT about them via google, and just plain tinkering with a couple of them.

Power depends on it's displacement. You can tell that from the number cast / stamped on the lower left side of the crankcase, and there's decoding info on the above planetminis website.
For reference, the 150cc is rated around 7.5hp stock, and not to hard to get 12hp out of them. The first performance mod is usually changing out the weights/springs in the CVT, then exhaust mods, then rejet or replace carb.

 

[TXST8tj]

So with ^^ that information in mind (7.5hp), it probably would not be necessary to look into swapping it out for a Predator 6.5hp....

I will be getting a closer look at it today. He brought the blue one with him to work, so we'll drop it in the shop and have a look.

 

[TXST8tj]

Well we definitely have some work to do, but I knew that.

The wiring needs to be completely redone. I am considering just getting a new harness for it, but I might just run new wires making my own. I am honestly not sure which model or manufacturer it is, so I am not sure which harness would be correct. Might just be easier to make my own.

I am pretty well set on a complete disassemble so it can be blasted and repainted (black). The blue is pretty ugly and it is faded. I would really like to start with this looking as new as possible.
I am also considering stretching the chassis several inches. We will pick a part in the chassis to cut and then sleeve with a slightly larger tube. We'll add additional cross supports where needed. This is for my son, so if I do anything, it won't be too crazy.

 

[OzFab]

I am also considering stretching the chassis several inches. We will pick a part in the chassis to cut and then sleeve with a slightly larger tube. We'll add additional cross supports where needed. This is for my son, so if I do anything, it won't be too crazy.

Plugs look so much nicer than sleeves.

Don't just pick a spot & slice it, staggering the joins will make it much less likely to split in half.

Also be aware that stretching the frame will affect the steering

 

[jamyers]

I'm curious about your engine, every other GY6 I can find online (mostly 150cc versions) looks slightly different, makes me wonder if yours is a 50-110cc version, or maybe even another engine altogether.

If you'll check out the pics on this page, that's the "basic" 150cc GY6. Looks like your starter points to the left instead of the right, and the CVT primary cover is way different. Heck, your entire transmission is different....

Somewhere on the engine crankcase is a number of some sort, on GY6's they're on the left side bottom, below where the kickstart foot-peg is in the above website pics.

Find that number, and we'll have a much better shot at positively identifying the engine, which will absolutely help with the wiring.

EDIT: After poking about the interwebs, I'm thinking that's not a GY6 at all, but rather a clone of the Honda E22 engine - which I have no experience with, but looks like it's very similar in reliability/design/parts availability as the GY6.

 

[TXST8tj]

He said it is definitely a 110cc. We're going to drop it in the shop during lunch and I will do a better inspection.
He is almost certain it is a Roketa brand kart.
We couldn't find the exact same kart, but this one looks close....perhaps just an upgraded version.
http://www.roketa.com/product/product_support.jsp?cateID=259&sonCateID=0&proID=2023

It is for my son, so I do want it setup for HIM to drive, so it might not get stretched at all. I need to crawl in it to see how much room there is for me. These things were never designed for someone my size, and I don't intend to make it that way. I just want to be able to enjoy it with him and supervise his driving.
I think the other red cart would work well for me, making it a single seater with the steering, brake, and throttle controls in the center. When my son is safe enough with the blue kart, I can follow in the red one (kidneys dying due to lack of suspension ).

 

[TXST8tj]

Here are some better pictures to get a better overall idea of it.....trying to get the thumbnail attachment worked out properly here

 

[TXST8tj]

A couple more. Any ideas with the engine? It is an E22.

 

[jamyers]

In the first engine pic above, just under the oil change info sticker is another one with something like "147FM-somethingIcan'tmakeout". That 147FM number is what you're looking for, if it's unreadable then *somewhere* on the crankcase it should be stamped. Probably have to take a scraper/brush to uncover it, but from what I gather the Chinese are pretty good about stamping their standardized engine codes.

Also, in Pic #3, on the cooling fin beside the intake manifold you can clearly see the "E22", which confirms my earlier thinking. So apparently you've got a 110cc E22 clone, likely made by either Roketa or Loncin. Tons of parts available online...

It's a shame that the rocketa website you posted earlier has the wiring diagram in chinese, but I'll bet that a bit of googling "rocketa E22 wiring diagram" will turn you up some good info.

 

[TXST8tj]

Well, this definitely gives me some more information to search with.

Wiring the lights is no big deal to me, but wiring the ignition/starter is where I will need help.

If I can find the correct wiring harness to buy, depending on the price, I might just buy it.

 

[jamyers]

Good place to ask chinese-engine-specific questions is over at http://forums.atvconnection.com/chinese-quads/

Might take them a day or so to answer, but there are some good electrical guys there.

 

[TXST8tj]

I'm sure this is just a common 'old-school' kart, but does anyone have any thoughts to the brand and/or model?...doesn't really matter I guess, just curious.

It has a 5hp Tech engine. We took it for a spin yesterday, and I was incredibly surprised at how quick it was with my large self on it. It was difficult for me to drive being 6'5" and being so cramped.

We are talking about stretching the frame a bit to make it more comfortable for me. Also going to move the steering wheel and pedals to the center. It is a two-seater by design....for kids, but definitely a one-seater with me on it.
We are thinking about stretching from the rear and moving the seat back (vs. stretching the front).

There has been discussion of lowering the mounting points for the tires to add some lift and get it off the ground a couple inches.

At very least it needs new rear tires, but it could also use a slight tune. Otherwise, it's pretty much ready to rock.

 

[OzFab]

Apart from the fact that moving the controls to the centre or the right would be a major pita, is there any reason you can't make the seat narrower & move it back so it's beside the engine?

Not 100% but it may be a thunderkart

 

[TXST8tj]

From the looks of it, we would just have to cut the steering hoop off, move it over a few inches to the center, and then reweld it. I would need to get the correct length of rod for the tierods, but other than that, it doesn't seem like too much trouble.

You can see in the attached pic that a couple pieces would be cut off for additional foot clearance. Other protection could be reworked if needed.

The gas pedal would move to the outside tube and attach in the same fashion as the brake pedal currently does.

The area where the rear tires attach now will be where the seat is moved back to.
We will cut the rear section off right before the square tube ("axle"). We will add another tube to box off the tubes at that cut, and then weld in the new section (10"-12"). We will brace it as needed and add more plate to skin the addition.



....that's the thought anyway.