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Hey, J? What you just asked about is one of the more expensive ways to go: all of the example's I've worked with are stainless steel, and usually made to order, with a price tag to match.

If you want fenders and brush guards that can take a beating and just smile while they do it, just buy yourself an angle grinder, and a stack of cut off disks. Then, go looking for worn out dead tires big enough to cover what ever size wheel/ tire combo you plan on using. Farm machinery and construction equipment MFR's avoid this stuff like the plague because their customers have revolted when they find out what it cost to repair/ fix it. Using dead tires is a whole lot cheaper, and are actually a whole lot better in any environment that gets below the freezing point of water.

Really, what has you automatically go for the most expensive options? I don't want to insult you; it just seems to be a pattern here. If you want to go for broke and build a show piece, that's your call. Between growing up on a farm, and working in industry, the KISS rule isn't just an idea, it's the way to operate and survive.
 

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Hey, J? What you just asked about is one of the more expensive ways to go: all of the example's I've worked with are stainless steel, and usually made to order, with a price tag to match.

If you want fenders and brush guards that can take a beating and just smile while they do it, just buy yourself an angle grinder, and a stack of cut off disks. Then, go looking for worn out dead tires big enough to cover what ever size wheel/ tire combo you plan on using. Farm machinery and construction equipment MFR's avoid this stuff like the plague because their customers have revolted when they find out what it cost to repair/ fix it. Using dead tires is a whole lot cheaper, and are actually a whole lot better in any environment that gets below the freezing point of water.

Really, what has you automatically go for the most expensive options? I don't want to insult you; it just seems to be a pattern here. If you want to go for broke and build a show piece, that's your call. Between growing up on a farm, and working in industry, the KISS rule isn't just an idea, it's the way operate and survive.

The stuff I was talking about was more along the lines of aquarium covers or something. Was like $5.50 a sq foot? And it was painted, was not stainless, pretty sure they rusted pretty badly if the paint got knocked, never bought the stuff OR used it. that's why I was asking about it. it kind of reminded me of those metal coat hangers with that plastic covering on them.

And I don't ever go the most expensive way. I try to go the way that will last, than what's best for the pocket book, because that's the way I am. I'd rather pay extra for something that works, and works good. then pay less for something sub-par and not last nearly as long.

Don't get me wrong, I DIY a lot of things, and customize almost everything to give it a personal touch. and maybe my idea's are far fetched at the time, and there's a better way of doing them. I think it's more the way I relay the message to get my point across if anything, my brain isn't the brightest in the bunch after all.
 

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In that case:
1. Why on earth did you bring up the subject?
2. How & why is it being used (legally speaking)? :worried2:

1. I like to throw a wrench in there every now and again. This is not feasible unless you make this kind of stuff in a lab or specific industry. Steel vs aluminum etc is common, not many know about nano materials (it has a lot of promise in aerospace and many other industries, but there are a lot of unanswered questions/ lack of research about its health effects).

2. Nano materials are still fairly new. Here is a website that talks a little bit about it and its use and health concerns (carbon nano fibers are probably the worst for health, but it doesn't mean the rest are bad at all)
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/nanotech/faq.html

And here is a publication that really explains it, but is really dry.
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2009-125/pdfs/2009-125.pdf
 

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Not really

Look at how many people actually died of purely asbestos damage
Not really a large amount

How many people had lung problems from asbestos + smoking + drinking + living in dirty air
A hell of a lot more
There's an area of Western Australia called Wittenoom
It is a little like the west Aussie Chernobyl

U won't find it on any maps u won't find any road signs to it
its been removed from history due to the fact it was an asbestos mining town
its also a very impressive piece of land
just google Wittenoom
they used to host a load of school camps there back in the 50s (my dad)
they had a huge asbestos pad (like u would a gravel or lime stone pad
the asbestos pad was where everyone slept

people still live out there
although on the government papers they are not residents of any town as the town "doesn't exist"
they have had no side effects of living near there
and the air quality there is far better than any city


i think its quite sad really that a wonderful area is not recognized due to a substance that the world has decided is horrible


More than likely an increase of deaths will be purely to increases of air pollution
or a slow downgrade of air guilty

asbestos did have bad side effects
which was a shame
it was an absolutely brilliant product
u only have to look at brakes
we still have some trucks cruising around with asbestos shoes
they are still going after 30+ years
they perform far better that any new product out today
and there's no way any new product will last 30 years
we get 2 at best
as far as heat absorption and fire proof not much competes

When I was in New Zealand this past summer, I went to the Museum of Transport and Technology (MOTAT) in one of the exhibits there was some old firefighting equipment, including an asbestos mask. I have a picture of it somewhere.

Many countries have banned asbestos, but the US hasn't. :ack2:
 

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Surely they have!!

Edit: You are right. I just googled it. What is up with that? People die from asbestosis all the time. It seems like the ban failed just because it would cost too much to implement

Well...
maybe a countermeasure against overpopulation.

But maybe it's just because cancer isn't known to be lethal in U.S. government yet *shrugs*

'sid

seriously, that has to be a hoax right?
RIGHT???:eek:
 

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Well...
maybe a countermeasure against overpopulation.

But maybe it's just because cancer isn't known to be lethal in U.S. government yet *shrugs*

'sid

seriously, that has to be a hoax right?
RIGHT???:eek:

I couldn't believe it either! Surely one of the top countries in the world would have banned it by now?? I suppose they have the same attitude as they did when having to sign the Kyoto Protocol again
 

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Well...
maybe a countermeasure against overpopulation.

But maybe it's just because cancer isn't known to be lethal in U.S. government yet *shrugs*

'sid

seriously, that has to be a hoax right?
RIGHT???:eek:

I couldn't believe it either! Surely one of the top countries in the world would have banned it by now?? I suppose they have the same attitude as they did when having to sign the Kyoto Protocol again

It's part of a thorny mess of issues; many of the same :censored: that claim asbestos isn't dangerous usually seem to be the same ones who claim global warming is a myth. Then there is the legitimate ongoing debate over States rights and authority vs the Federal Governments authority.....

I could go on for a while on this, but I believe the forum rules would be brought down on it. Suffice it to say that if you actually read any of the reputable scientific journals, global warming is here to stay. Asbestos's dangers are real, but vary with the type, which is the reason the proponents have so far managed to block anything on the Federal level...:surrender::surrender::ack2:
 

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Meanwhile, in Australia,

-you can't touch the stuff unless you're authorised & those that are resemble someone going on a space walk when handling it, it needs to be packaged securely & disposed of in the same manner; anyone caught disposing of it illegally cops a massive fine (in the thousands)...

-James Hardie Industries has been brought to its knees & forced to create a multi million dollar compensation fund for former employees who are now victims of mesothelioma

...& I thought the USA was ahead of the rest of the world...
 

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...& I thought the USA was ahead of the rest of the world...

We ARE!!! We have the largest # of ambulance chasers in the world; who don't give a rats :censored: about the truth, or justice. All they seem to care about is how do they lie, cheat, and who do they steal from to further them selves.

A real gallows humor joke over here; California has the largest # of Lawyers per capita in the US, New Jersey has the largest # of Superfund class toxic waste dumps. Why is that?

New Jersey had first choice......
 

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Now for some more fuel in the fire..... How about aluminium?

:huh: I believe we covered that already. It's lighter than steel, only some grades can be welded successfully, the other grades are usually cast or use riveted construction. Welding it requires more sophisticated equipment and more specialized training than most types of steel.

Can it be used for kart construction? Yes. Is the added expense and hassle worth it? That's in the eye of the beholder, and depends on the application in question......

:thumbsup::cheers2::popcorn: Pat
 

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It's part of a thorny mess of issues; many of the same :censored: that claim asbestos isn't dangerous

It most certainly is. And I treat it with the utmost respect when I make a gasket from it.:D

What I do not get- is if the US hasn't banned it, and it's not all that dangerous- why is it that nearly every thing I buy that is labelled for US sale, bears this "This product contains chemicals known to the State Of California to be carcinogenic"

usually seem to be the same ones who claim global warming is a myth.
Global warming is a myth. The earth cycles through severe climate changes on it's own accord, with very little help from humanity. Don't even get me started on Gore and his incredible carbon credits scam. And if I end up taking this topic any further, I will have no choice but to ban myself... :oops:
 

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Global warming is a myth. The earth cycles through severe climate changes on it's own accord, with very little help from humanity. Don't even get me started on Gore and his incredible carbon credits scam. And if I end up taking this topic any further, I will have no choice but to ban myself... :oops:


It's nice to see somebody thinking, rather than repeating the fluff propagated by the media. Notice that the solution to environmental problems is always money.

When I was a kid in the 1970s the teachers at school were telling us that we were entering an ice age. By the time we were their age, the ice sheets were supposed to cover Canada and start advancing past the Great Lakes. That's about right now, by the way. Chris, how's the ice sheet coming along?
 

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It most certainly is. And I treat it with the utmost respect when I make a gasket from it.:D

What I do not get- is if the US hasn't banned it, and it's not all that dangerous- why is it that nearly every thing I buy that is labelled for US sale, bears this "This product contains chemicals known to the State Of California to be carcinogenic"

The State of California is the chemical industries worst nightmare; they thought that they could ignore them when the status of why people were getting sick with strange symtems started to get attention. They screwed up. The only reason you don't see the same waring labels in a lot of other States and/ or Federal law is because the chemical industry is now willing to outspend any grass roots origination in any election by up to 150 to 1 to prevent themselves from actually being held accountable.....

Global warming is a myth. The earth cycles through severe climate changes on it's own accord, with very little help from humanity. Don't even get me started on Gore and his incredible carbon credits scam. And if I end up taking this topic any further, I will have no choice but to ban myself... :oops:

The point is probably moot. We crossed the threshold some where in the 1940's/ 1950's. The arguments are how to slow it down; even if we somehow reduced our CO2 output to 1840's levels, it's going to take a century or more to bring some balance to things....
 
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