pay some to build arachnid chassis?

[OzFab]

My brother welds but i didnt want to ask him to invest alot of his time in building one from the ground up.

Ask him; the worst he can do is say no...

i could probably fab a way to put the raptor arms and stock shocks on the front of the fl250 and figure out something for the rear.

IIRC, odysseys have front suspension (J arms), not too sure about the rear though...

 

[souperman000]

I put aftermarket a arms and shocls on my raptor.

My brother welds but i didnt want to ask him to invest alot of his time in building one from the ground up.
i could probably fab a way to put the raptor arms and stock shocks on the front of the fl250 and figure out something for the rear.

If you ask a machine shop it will cost a lot of money and probably will mot get done in a timely manner (as exemplified by your tie-rod experience. If you ask your brother, sure it may take a little while, but maybe he will say yes and maybe you can say, "If you would be so kind as to do this for me, you might even get a ride!"

If you can fab a new suspension on a kart that has fairly rudimentary (IMO, not super familiar with J-arms) suspension, couldn't you little by little put together this kart?

Ask him; the worst he can do is say no...



IIRC, odysseys have front suspension (J arms), not too sure about the rear though...

Thats what my mom always says!

Fl250s have j-arm fronts and no rear. FL350s have full suspension.



Didn't really want to get involved in this thread.....but I couldn't help it

 

[AMMFAB]

labor alone for something like that with a cage would be around 500.00 and that doesnt include any of the parts..... now if somebody were to come to me with precut parts and directions then i would charge around 250.00 to weld it all up for them. i dont know what to tell u OP.


mike

 

[machinist@large]

Didn't really want to get involved in this thread.....but I couldn't help it

Too late!!! You didn't run fast enough!!!

 

[raptor700]

I looked for a 350 but i can get a 250 to next to nothing
i think the stock j arm probably arent ideal for tough trails
besides if i use raptor parts i'll also have front brakes.

I will see monday about the fl250. I need to look at the frame and get ideas
all the rear suspension mods are for engine swaps but i plan on keeping the
2 stroke

 

[blackleg miner]

Just get a used welder or a new 120 VAC Hobart MIG and start making stuff. I do think getting a used chassis would be better just because the cost of new steel or even remnant steel is a lot. Once you get the welding bug, you'll want to make lots of stuff and fix stuff, too.

Weld on.

 

[raptor700]

My bad has a simple gokart adult sized chassis he wants 250$.
I could buy a atv frame and splice it to the front and so a hinged rear.
Only problem the frame might be made if to thin tubing? When i get home
ill take measurements. I found these industrial hinges rated for 3000lbs so 2 of those
should make a sturdy rear end. Or buy my own tubing and have my bro build off the atv chassis.
i seen something like this in dirt wheels

 

[Swabbster]

i would not build the arachnid, i was just like you, i really wanted to build one, but there not strong, if you roll it you can die so easily, even if you build a roll cage, it most likely will not be strong and braced, there was a guy on youtube who built one it was yellow, it looked cool but very dangerous, if recommend going to edge or badland buggy for plans, im building a sabre tooth from badland buggy, the plans are so well thought out, stress tested, way safer,
http://www.badlandbuggy.com/

 

[raptor700]

I love the looks of that St2 buggy . Looks hard lol I'd like to have a buggy by march. How much in material you think the St would cost ? Also I'd rather use 4 lug hubs so I can use ATV tires.

 

[FatCat]

This all depends on your budget. If you've got a little cash you could pick up an FL350 for around $1500-2k in solid running condition. This is definately more expensive up front but over long term I'd say it will be cheaper. The FL250's are great but if you require suspension it may start to get more costly. You then have to decide if the 250 is a good starting point for this project. I've researched building a buggy from plans, something just stupid with a streetbike engine, but the cost of doing a good quality home build leaves my price range in a hurry. You could easily spend 10k plus building a High end buggy. Anything you have custom built will probably cost quite a bit more than a production model. I will tell you a few things from my experience with my FL350.

1. Pretty costs money! My biggest expense was mint plastics. Some people prefer the fenderless look. Lucky them...

2. They have suspension but not the best. Works makes shocks for them that are supposed to improve it a ton but they're about $1000 for a set. (you'll run into this cost hurdle with any buggy build if you want to use good shocks) Basically these things are fast enough to get you in trouble with the stock suspension. It's not that it doesn't work, there just isn't enough there for the speeds we're capable of.
3. If you get one let me know, I can make up a list of reliability/power mods to help you out. This will save lots of $ and headaches. The FL350 was a great machine but it did have it's flaws. After 25+ years of being around all the bugs have been found.

4. Last point. If you really have some money to play with go over the top and buy yourself a Honda Pilot. In the end it's cheaper than building. Not as fulfilling but if cost/performance/safety being the big factor you won't get more bang for the buck than a Honda Pilot. I could've easily bought a pilot for what I've spent building my 350. More like 1 1/2. These machines look similar but that's about it. The pilot is 10x the machine the 350 is. It's basically every hop up you can think of for a 350 in a factory built package. After riding one I can't say enough for it. I can't wait to have one in my garage. Good luck

 

[Swabbster]

I love the looks of that St2 buggy . Looks hard lol I'd like to have a buggy by march. How much in material you think the St would cost ? Also I'd rather use 4 lug hubs so I can use ATV tires.

not sure about the st2, the one i showed is a sabretooth, the steel cost would be about $300-$400, plus all the parts, steering wheel, u joints, 5 point racing harness, wheels and tires, axles, steering rack and pinion, tie rods, seat, bushing material to machine custom bushings, engine, sprocket, brakes, there is alot of money that goes into them, but when your done, you would make a odyssey your *****, the plans from badland are way better thought out and just look cool!

call bruce (the owner) and ask some questions http://www.badlandbuggy.com/contact.html

 

[95badbird]

reading this reminds me of me......and how I have done things in the past.

One example, my brother bought an aftermarket catless pipe for $35 bucks from ebay.
well, it did not fit, so I cut it and rewelded the crappy metal to fit.
I can't remember why now, but we had to repair this same pipe 2 more times.
Now we have an orginal $35 piece that has over $200 of welding and time into it.....but it was free for him.

 

[FatCat]

I agree the plans look cool and I'm sure it's a nice buggy but to build one to make my odyssey it's ***** you've got a tall order in front of you. $300-$400 in tubing, then $11,000 in parts. Lol
Also did you notice how big that thing is? You might whoop me in the open desert but in the tight stuff I'd eat you alive. It'd be a great dune machine. It could be made faster than my Odyssey. I'm around 60hp in a 650lbs buggy. Whats your power/weight?Your gonna need a street bike engine for that. Those aren't cheap. No FNR box?? Dang no reverse.(if I was to build one I'd use the rpm box but it's $2500. Let's talk dollar for dollar. This homebuild will cost 8-10k if you want a bad machine. For that kind of money you could get a redline revolt or a drakart. A drakart would leave that badlands buggy crying in it's dust. Key here is dollar for dollar. It's obvious you can make a full blown long travel buggy faster than a j arm Ody. It's how much $$$

 

[FatCat]

Here's an Odyssey that runs great. $1600.

http://www.pilotodyssey.com/PO/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10537

Now show me your parts list that can match that performance with all those options. Electric start, reverse, headlights, taillight, Mirrors,Etc it's about 30hp stock but can be doubled. Or for about $1000 you can do a Rotax 583 swap if you in search of more power. That's 103hp and you can buy the stuff to bolt it in.

 

[Swabbster]

my buggy will weigh about 500-600 lbs, full independent suspension front and rear, and a Suzuki gr650 bike motor, no reverse but thats just more weight and stuff to brake, odysseys are cool and very strong, but they have bad suspension, old j arm, vs independent, my buggy will be about 55 inches wide, almost 10 feet long, and about a foot of ground clearance, im really not trying to start a war, im just saying that a badland buggy would be a better choice than a arachnid, i would really not recommend building an arachnid because of the fact it has no roll cage, ever heard that saying "GO BIG OR GO HOME"

 

[FatCat]

my buggy will weigh about 500-600 lbs, full independent suspension front and rear, and a Suzuki gr650 bike motor, no reverse but thats just more weight and stuff to brake, odysseys are cool and very strong, but they have bad suspension, old j arm, vs independent, my buggy will be about 55 inches wide, almost 10 feet long, and about a foot of ground clearance, im really not trying to start a war, im just saying that a badland buggy would be a better choice than a arachnid, i would really not recommend building an arachnid because of the fact it has no roll cage, ever heard that saying "GO BIG OR GO HOME"

I'm not trying to push anyone away from building their dream ride. Just sharing an experience that's cost me about $6000 over the last year. I started with a bare frame. The 350 does have 4 wheel independent suspension. Definately not as nice as the longtravel but it's cheap and gets the job done. I won't try to argue the fact that you could build one of these to outperform an Ody or Pilot. I will say you won't for the same amount of money. The buggy you shared is pretty sweet. I'd love to build one, I just have high expectations of what I'd want. I want reliability, not some lemon that I'm fixing mistakes that I caused by not having the money for the better part. I think that is a wise decision to build something with a cage. It's good insurance. Here's a basic outline of what I would do if I was building that buggy from plans.(someday I may create this monster when money and motivation return)
Mid-late 90's Rotax 583 or 670- $1000 will buy wrecked sled
Custom tuned pipe(that fits)-750
RPM f-n-r box- $2500 by the time your OTD

I would also modify an FL350 steering yolk to fit instead of a steering wheel. The reason I would use this setup?

The reason I would use this combo is to have hand controls and the CVT. The sled engines are putting down 100hp plus in stock form, I'd say you could get 150 out of it conservatively. This is more than plenty in a 6-900lbs buggy. You can only hook up so much power, then it's just lost to wheel spin. Then you've got the RPM f-n-r box. These are very similar to an odyssey or pilot trans but they are bulletproof(you'll need this to handle all this power.) Reverse may not seem important but it's very, very convenient. It sucks jumping out and pushing all the time. You'll find the buggies don't turn all that tight. I'd say reverse is a requirement for woods riding. Then use off the shelf VW cv parts. I'd use the gearbox and switch to a steering yolk for more hand control. The CVT removes the need to shift it. It's always in the perfect gear the hand controls are much easier to control while bouncing around offroad. If you do use pedals add a piece of angle iron about an inch behind the pedal for your heel to lock in to. It's hard to have good foot control bouncing down the trail.

Phones dieing. Ill add to this later!

 

[Swabbster]

the hand controls are much easier to control while bouncing around offroad. If you do use pedals add a piece of angle iron about an inch behind the pedal for your heel to lock in to. It's hard to have good foot control bouncing down the trail.

Phones dieing. Ill add to this later!

haha you don't have to be bouncing around with long travel!, just messing with you, a ody can be rolled down a mountain and drive away from it, yes reverse is almost a must for trails, but if you have enough power to spin the tires and do a 180* power slide your good! id rather have a ody than build a buggy from scratch but i cant find any localy, and my buggy will cost about a grand to build because i all ready have lots of parts, now pilets are just bad ***!

 

[canumovespenny]

Arachnid Plan Help

I know some of you may not like this but if anyone has the Arachnid Plans from Spiderkarts, would you mind emailing my the pdf. I am not going to build the exact thing, I would just like to get some ideas and don't want to spend $35-$40 for them. If anyone would be willing to email me the Arachnid Plans pdf, please reply and I will give you my email. Thank you.

 

[souperman000]

I know some of you may not like this but if anyone has the Arachnid Plans from Spiderkarts, would you mind emailing my the pdf. I am not going to build the exact thing, I would just like to get some ideas and don't want to spend $35-$40 for them. If anyone would be willing to email me the Arachnid Plans pdf, please reply and I will give you my email. Thank you.

The general consensus around here is that a person should not just "give away" the plans. Someone has spent lots of time and money developing these plans and they deserve the money that other people pay for them.

Someone emailing you the plans is just as good as stealing.

Please do not steal plans or give away plans.

 

[Doc Sprocket]

I know some of you may not like this but if anyone has the Arachnid Plans from Spiderkarts, would you mind emailing my the pdf. I am not going to build the exact thing, I would just like to get some ideas and don't want to spend $35-$40 for them. If anyone would be willing to email me the Arachnid Plans pdf, please reply and I will give you my email. Thank you.

Nope. We do not condone such things around here. It's theft, plain and simple. i don't care if you intend to use all of the plan, some of the plan, or just use it to wipe your beehind while you draw up your own. People went to great lengths to research and develop those plans, and they deserve to get paid for it.

You got a job? Would you like to work a day unpaid? Exactly.

There is an absolute TON of design ideas to be found on this forum, and a lot of good, helpful folks that can help feed you ideas and fill in the blanks. Take full advantages of these resources available to you, all for free- and legitimately so.

But do not contribute to the theft of copyrighted material. It just ain't right.