NEW Designs! Re-Imagined Clutches!!!!! Dynamic Suspensions!!! Go-kart from ****
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mkIVgladiator
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I undestand the chain tensioner isn't on the slack part so i cut it last night and moved it.... and i make another sprocket gear to bring the chain out to install the tensioner mechanism on the slack part not on the power stroke part...i will have pics up soon...
I understand the jackshaft could be put at the pivot point... but there is simply no room... plus this build was all eliminating all road vibrations with a car coil spring...... as for the clutch ... all clutches are garbage unless there built in this manner with a giant bearing to keep the pressure place centered... otherwise it will scrape and wabble all over the place..... unless you went with the rubber belt driven system and i chose to stick with t40 chains
I understand the jackshaft could be put at the pivot point... but there is simply no room... plus this build was all eliminating all road vibrations with a car coil spring...... as for the clutch ... all clutches are garbage unless there built in this manner with a giant bearing to keep the pressure place centered... otherwise it will scrape and wabble all over the place..... unless you went with the rubber belt driven system and i chose to stick with t40 chains
A lot of R&D went into making these centrifugal clutches. If they needed something to keep the pressure place centered (whatever that means), then they would have done it. I haven't heard of clutches doing what you are saying they will do if there is no giant bearing booger welded onto the clutch.
I am not trying to be argumentative, but you have to explain to us, in more technical and believable terms, why you would need that welded on
Poboy kartman
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Shall I ????? I think I shall! Hold on fellas.....here it comes!
Sooooo...let's break down all this mastermind hillbilly engineering.
First....you look at a clutch...see a sprocket on one side and a mass on the other...and figure that putting more mass on the other side is going to center the load. Completely ignoring the fact....(or maybe I should say completely ignorant of the fact) that unengaged...there is very little load on a very lightweight bell that is riding on a bushing supported by a very solid shaft. As soon as the clutch engages the whole mechanism becomes as one unit ...totally married to that solid output shaft...and in fact...it makes very little difference where the weight is and where the gear is....(you can run clutches inboard or out...and there's really no appreciable difference.)
The only real stress is on the bushing or bearing in the side cover...and this has been designed to carry the load. Couple with this with the fact that I've seen clutches like this since at least the sixties...surely someone would have improved upon it by now unless there was no need.
Now...let's examine the merit of your ingenious bassackward engineering: what you are doing is INCREASING the stress on that case bearing. You are putting a hodgepodge POS on a BALANCED rotating system! !!! In short , you're not just screwing up a clutch, but shortening engine life as well! !!!!
So....let's move on to this ingenious "chain breaker" suspension system. Not enough room? ???? No....the fact that you lack enough knowledge to be able to envision the proper solution or even grasp the problem does not make your assessment of the situation fact. Far from it...you just engineered one problem after another with ignorance and misguided logic.
It's like letting the air out of a tire to fix a leaning car because the other tire was flat. EVERYTHING you are doing is JUST PLAIN WRONG!
Now....PROVE ME WRONG!
Sooooo...let's break down all this mastermind hillbilly engineering.
First....you look at a clutch...see a sprocket on one side and a mass on the other...and figure that putting more mass on the other side is going to center the load. Completely ignoring the fact....(or maybe I should say completely ignorant of the fact) that unengaged...there is very little load on a very lightweight bell that is riding on a bushing supported by a very solid shaft. As soon as the clutch engages the whole mechanism becomes as one unit ...totally married to that solid output shaft...and in fact...it makes very little difference where the weight is and where the gear is....(you can run clutches inboard or out...and there's really no appreciable difference.)
The only real stress is on the bushing or bearing in the side cover...and this has been designed to carry the load. Couple with this with the fact that I've seen clutches like this since at least the sixties...surely someone would have improved upon it by now unless there was no need.
Now...let's examine the merit of your ingenious bassackward engineering: what you are doing is INCREASING the stress on that case bearing. You are putting a hodgepodge POS on a BALANCED rotating system! !!! In short , you're not just screwing up a clutch, but shortening engine life as well! !!!!
So....let's move on to this ingenious "chain breaker" suspension system. Not enough room? ???? No....the fact that you lack enough knowledge to be able to envision the proper solution or even grasp the problem does not make your assessment of the situation fact. Far from it...you just engineered one problem after another with ignorance and misguided logic.
It's like letting the air out of a tire to fix a leaning car because the other tire was flat. EVERYTHING you are doing is JUST PLAIN WRONG!
Now....PROVE ME WRONG!
mckutzy
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After a good examination...I thought so....
But as it has been explained... Completely ridiculous, redundant and now also you can't even service the bushing as the snap ring has been welded over.
How do you plan to oil the bushing now?
If anything, this concept should ha been aplied to the crank, adding a support bearing to that. They do this already to a verity of race karts.
But as it has been explained... Completely ridiculous, redundant and now also you can't even service the bushing as the snap ring has been welded over.
How do you plan to oil the bushing now?
If anything, this concept should ha been aplied to the crank, adding a support bearing to that. They do this already to a verity of race karts.
Poboy kartman
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Hmmmmmmm......
mkIVgladiator
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i switched welding sticks from the medium to double the size j422 to produce stronger
the clutch i edited is stronger and better in every way, round cut in half quarter stock give a rounded perforation welding on both sides(using medium size sticks) keeping the portable flywheel balanced design is preferred. i realized the error of my ways.... so i constructed a series of breathing apparatus so i didn't have to smell the fumes coming off the welding sticks.... i took off the previous set up and added a sprocket... i will add the tensioner i took off and put it on the slack side of the chain. Also i moved the coil spring base over.... but i had to add that sprocket to space the chain out for the tensioner b/c when the spring depresses there needs to be enough room so the two chains don't run into eachother... plus i ordered a $10 respirator mask online for the breathing apparatus instead of a cheap $1 for 10pack disposable dust masks
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the clutch i edited is stronger and better in every way, round cut in half quarter stock give a rounded perforation welding on both sides(using medium size sticks) keeping the portable flywheel balanced design is preferred. i realized the error of my ways.... so i constructed a series of breathing apparatus so i didn't have to smell the fumes coming off the welding sticks.... i took off the previous set up and added a sprocket... i will add the tensioner i took off and put it on the slack side of the chain. Also i moved the coil spring base over.... but i had to add that sprocket to space the chain out for the tensioner b/c when the spring depresses there needs to be enough room so the two chains don't run into eachother... plus i ordered a $10 respirator mask online for the breathing apparatus instead of a cheap $1 for 10pack disposable dust masks
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http://i66.tinypic.com/zl3wpl.jpg
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I still don't get what the thing on the clutch is supposed to do that a regular centrifugal clutch is not capable of. What is the mask for?
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Sadly, this might be one of those karts someone buys one day and wonders wtf the previous owner was thinking.
mkIVgladiator
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incredible solution
used all purpose apoxy... dries really clear and gave the positive air respirator mask tubes strong bonds... $10 mask... $11 tubes, $6 fan and a mountain dew bottle you can weld w/ focusing on smoke from flux or spray paint burning off....
used all purpose apoxy... dries really clear and gave the positive air respirator mask tubes strong bonds... $10 mask... $11 tubes, $6 fan and a mountain dew bottle you can weld w/ focusing on smoke from flux or spray paint burning off....
mckutzy
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When you bought the mask.... why not filters too...... they do sell filters for welding use......
More importantly......... this death trap.... needs to be destroyed...... just a complete utter mess and dangerous.......
One question........ How are you intending to oil this clutch you've destroyed with that thing welded on the end....now that the bushing end isnt exposed to allow such action to take place.
More importantly......... this death trap.... needs to be destroyed...... just a complete utter mess and dangerous.......
One question........ How are you intending to oil this clutch you've destroyed with that thing welded on the end....now that the bushing end isnt exposed to allow such action to take place.
Poboy kartman
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You give the guy much too much credit! First off....he can't even fill out a profile location. Secondly, exhibits all the mental prowess of a box of animal crackers. Finally, his resume includes a list of "do not call" numbers!
Sometimes...it's more humane to to just walk away....and let them die in peace.....
mkIVgladiator
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sooo i push welded puddles into the round stock
why b/c i won't make a jackshaft? you don't need to make a jack shaft every single time... i know i could w/ all the snowblower gear boxes i have lying around for free!... but as cars use tensioners so will I! .... oh and i need a longer chain or re-position the rear stationary sprocket
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why b/c i won't make a jackshaft? you don't need to make a jack shaft every single time... i know i could w/ all the snowblower gear boxes i have lying around for free!... but as cars use tensioners so will I! .... oh and i need a longer chain or re-position the rear stationary sprocket
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Poboy kartman
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why b/c i won't make a jackshaft? you don't need to make a jack shaft every single time... ]
But you need one.
is right! (Describes everything you're doing! )BTW Vanna: Can I buy a Capital letter?
chancer
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Put Down the welder and come out with your hands up!
Poboy kartman
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Well sheriff....couldn't get a good look at him....he was wearing a mask....but what he did to that kart was purely criminal!
IDK: Maybe I just can't see the "big picture "?
IDK: Maybe I just can't see the "big picture "?
You still haven't told us how you are going to keep your clutch oiled. It is going to go bad really quick without any
mkIVgladiator
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what oil for what the bearing? because the flywheel gets hot? it wont when riding and the flywheel won't touch the clutch when idleing... maybe it will get hot scraping from a tough gear ratio made for 40mph plus but.... no need for oil if its going...
Obviously you do not know that a centrifugal clutch needs the bushing to be oiled every 4 hours of use. Have a look at this link at the bottom of the page, and then also these links
http://www.hilliardextremeduty.com/extremeduty/extreme-install.html
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9139
mckutzy
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Hahaha..., oh what a chuckle....
Ohhhhh it needs oil.... Not only that.... But it sounds like its allready buggered... Oil won't help now.
You just spinning it about..the sound.... Should have been a tell... Mind you the crap you welded on there confused you...not too mention the whatchamacallit of a (loosely based on)"machine" itself, with the umpteenth amount of rod burned on....
Wow buddy.... A good laugh.... fo sho.
Ohhhhh it needs oil.... Not only that.... But it sounds like its allready buggered... Oil won't help now.
You just spinning it about..the sound.... Should have been a tell... Mind you the crap you welded on there confused you...not too mention the whatchamacallit of a (loosely based on)"machine" itself, with the umpteenth amount of rod burned on....
Wow buddy.... A good laugh.... fo sho.
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