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This is my first successful DIY design. Don't know whether should call it go kart or buggy. It has 4 big wheels with single seater. Later I want to add the bucket.
 

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Seat made of welded 1" X 1" square metal hollow section. Just want something unique that suits own taste.

Yes. I use the car tires 13" rim diameter. Never really test the actual speed. On flat road, approximately 30-40 km/h. Good for leisure purpose and big wheels provide the cushion. The engine is honda hurricane motorbike 100cc.

Photos of earlier works at my car porch and dismantling the motorbike at friend's garage are included.
 

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It may run faster if the engine is new. I use used and aging engine which is more than 20 years old. However, I don't dare to go beyond this speed limit without proper caging to hold / protect the driver.

Initial thought of designing was inspired from an old motorbike which I intended stop renew the road tax and insurance. Instead of leaving it idle and unused for quite sometimes, I better do something with it. This has motivated me to come out with some design and purchase of necessary tools to materialize the thought.

I should share the video in the next post. It is cool design like you said.
 

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My design with bucket

This is the new look of my design with its bucket. Installed the bucket perhaps to carry light stuffs if needed.

The need to install the bucket was also inspired by my nieces and nephew who always come to my house over the weekend. So I thought that would help us to spend time together by allowing them sitting in the bucket while I drive them slowly around the residential area where I reside.

The other thought was that probably can be used by the villagers from my wife side to carry some light stuffs to and from their farm. They still do some agricultural works here. Only with big wheel help me to reach this muddy, terrain and gravel roads before reaching their farm.

With the big wheels, I need not to add absorber which would give me more works to do. The big wheels provide me the cushion that I need. At the moment designing this, I was still handicapped in welding. I was "forced" to weld, when the initial frame failed to complete which was assisted by my brother which later needs to work somewhere else and I need to finish the job. However, the frame was inspired by me. My brother only helped me with welding works.
 

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My friends had the same thought as well, including adding the big umbrella for selling ice-cream or put the bbq drum on the bucket. It can serve as mobile vehicle.:D:sifone:
 

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Thanks B Man for that idea:thumbsup:. There will be a kind of football tournament to be launched here at the football field as shown in the video clip. I can consider the grill but not the big cooler :bannana::D
 

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I broke the rear threaded rod

I broke the 1' diameter metal shaft connecting the two back wheels after taking the video. Before that, I traveled with my design about 1 hour from home to this remote area at speed of 30-40 km/h. Luckily the rod did not brake along the way. Otherwise I will be in a big trouble of towing it back home.
 

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:ack2: Ouch!! Good thing you weren't hurt. That's one of the problems with threaded rod, especially where you welded the nut to it. I take it that this is the shaft that transmits power from the engine sprocket to both the rear wheels? Questions;


1)Do you have a differential of any sort in the system?

2)How far apart are the drive wheels?

3)How tight a circle can it turn?

Without a way to compensate for the speed difference between the inner and outer wheel in a turn, the problem is just going to return. Sleaving the rod or remaking it out of round stock would be better, but would only band aid the symptoms.

Good first build. Just got to get thru the teething phase.:thumbsup:
 

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Thanks Machinist@Large for your comments:cheers2:.

Give me time to answer your questions. I left my design since the threaded rod broken. This weekend needs to replace the broken parts and requires some welding works.

I already purchased the parts to replace the broken part. Honestly speaking, I am new to welding and consider naive in metal works as well. That's why I chose threaded rod instead of other types of rods. However, my strong interest motivates me until competion of this design.

I found out that the threaded rod is not made of pure ion. It contains other stuffs as well. Probably that has caused it to break if carry heavy load and jerking. Do you agree with me on this? This advises me to select suitable materials for my design.
 

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Thanks Machinist@Large for your comments:cheers2:.

Give me time to answer your questions. I left my design since the threaded rod broken. This weekend needs to replace the broken parts and requires some welding works.

I already purchased the parts to replace the broken part. Honestly speaking, I am new to welding and consider naive in metal works as well. That's why I chose threaded rod instead of other types of rods. However, my strong interest motivates me until competion of this design.

I found out that the threaded rod is not made of pure ion. It contains other stuffs as well. Probably that has caused it to break if carry heavy load and jerking. Do you agree with me on this? This advises me to select suitable materials for my design.



I think that there are several forces/ stresses that lead to the break on your cart; I'll list the ones I'm most sure of. Without the pieces in front of me, all I can do is guess.

1)Threaded rod is relatively weak in unsupported torsion loads. When it's not supported (threaded into a hole), it's first inclination is to:

A) twist itself into a knot, just like spring (when rotary force is applied in the direction of rotation) or,

B)untwist itself (just like a spring) when the force is applied in the opposite direction.


2) MOST threaded rod is threaded by rolling; the threads are not cut.( Think holding a pencil between your hands with just your fingers and roll it back and forth).

A) This means when you want to use it to support a load under tension you have to treat it as a smaller dia. rod (dia. of the base of the threads)

B) Because of the threads, it isn't recommended for use in compression distances more than 2 to 5 times the outside dia. of the rod.(When unsupported) You can help compensate for it by sleeving it or adding bracing.

3)Never weld a threaded member in the direction of load when used it tension-I.E. say, when you need to make your own bolts (load pulling on the weld). When you screw the nut onto the rod, only weld the top. If you weld the bottom, the load will be focused on where the exits the nut; not be evenly spread around the joint. If you are planning to weld a nut in the middle of a threaded shaft for an adjuster, use 2 nuts, jamb them together and weld the nuts together.

4)Looking at the picture of the break, I'm guessing if you look at it, you'll find a hard shiny area at the 4 points you tacked to lock the nut to the shaft. There may also be a dry, rusty powder. If so, that is called fret rust. It's caused by the 2 sides of the break rubbing together. these are signs of stress being focused at those points. You can still get them using smooth shafting, but it's a lot less common.

There are whole classes on all the different forces that can be put in play in any design; I'm just trying to share some of what little Iknow about with you. Hope this was of help. Pat.:thumbsup:
 
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Hello Pat,

Thanks again for your comments. From your explanation, I believe you are quite conversant with the threaded rod characteristics. Considering your useful tips and comments here, I need to look at the weakness of my cart design again. I admit at some welded joints particularly along the threaded rod, they are without the bracket or pillow block bearing as the supports. Therefore at certain stress, it is easily get twisted and broken.

I did some repair works last weekend to re-join the broken part but still unable to resolve it. To support the weak point near to the earlier broken part, I included the additional frame and sit the pillow block bearing to support it. After gone through another test drive on the football field, it broke again between the sprocket and the new added frame / pillow block bearing. I attached the photo for you to see.

I included the back view of my cart as well.
 

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