Ken Bar S-356

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Disclaimer: To the best of my knowledge.

Looks like a two seater yard cart ... frame is jigged to have the left front off the ground, on flat ground. Its cool, quick and fast. Ken Bars version of a 'fast kart' 🤔

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Disclaimer: To the best of my knowledge.

You should have consulted the oracle. It would appear to be a D-630-3 H.P. or a D-650-5 H.P. Right from the 1986 brochure...

I like the reinforced axle bracing and the 'skid bars' underneath. You never know, maybe Ken-Bar had red engines that season and yours is original. There’s black and white engines in that brochure.

That giant air cleaner is easily good for 10+mph....
 

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You rely to much on outdated literature that frankly didn't mean a whole lot outside of these one off manufactures thoughts before they actually started building them.

As stated. My kart IS NOT A TWO SEATER it has the steering built to the left of center for the geometry and weight transfer. On flat ground the left tire is off the ground until the driver loads it. All of this is verifiable with a little research.

I would not start a post like I did without a reason and jumping to a picture in a brochure to think your right is not what I did.

It may not be an S356 but it isn't a double (D) anything.
 

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Ken-Bar go-karts, famously built in Toccoa, Georgia, featured a distinct design layout for their classic single-seat yard karts (like the Streaker S-356) that beautifully showcases clever mechanical geometry overcoming raw hardware limitations. [1, 2]
When you look at a classic single-seat, dead axle (one-wheel-drive) Ken-Bar sitting empty, that unloaded left front wheel floating off the ground is actually a deliberate hallmark of its chassis physics, directly tied to its offset steering and seating configuration. [1, 2, 3, 4]



1. The Physics of the "Floating" Left Front Wheel
On a flat, level surface with no driver, the left front tire of a single-seat Ken-Bar will frequently rest a fraction of an inch off the ground. While this looks like a bent frame at first glance, it is the result of severe static weight imbalance and frame twist:
    • The Right-Side Weight Bias: To accommodate a single centered or slightly left-offset bucket seat, Ken-Bar mounted the heavy Tecumseh engine, the heavy steel engine mounting plate, and the drive clutch/chain system entirely on the rear right side of the frame. [1, 2, 3]
    • The Diagonal Pivot: Because the right rear is heavily weighted down, it acts as a massive anchor point. The rigid, suspensionless 11-gauge steel frame acts as a lever. With no driver in the seat to balance the chassis, the right-rear weight pushes down, causing the diagonal opposite corner—the left front—to teeter upward. [1]
 

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Um. These manufacturers welded tubes together, put wheels on the corners, Some were single seat, others made space for 2 small children. No one was using rocket science. That was the space that racing kart manufacturers lived in, and still do. Just respectfully disagreeing.
 

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That's why I framed the post the way I did ... I have done a ton of research trying to find this kart. It doesn't match any of the 'D' cart dimensions (in the brochure). It also has absolutely nothing to support a passenger. Nothing to hold with your left hand, nothing to put your feet against a complete rag doll ride. The cockpit is far larger than the dual small child cockpit of the lime limo (lime limo DOES accommodate the rider (mine is a 1974)).

Every go kart maker was a racer at heart ... just sayin'! I agree to disagree with you.

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I would have to agree with ezcome-ezgo on his evaluation of Ken-Bar. I don't know when they were in Toccoa but I had visited them in Cornelia and Baldwin, GA. Ken Alexander had a very nice plant. and operation. Like all the kart manufacturers they had a second business when karting got slow. Its busy season was August to January and then things slowed down. ( A go kart was a Christmas present.) They would get into their other line which was trampolines.

Several companies did lawnmowers like Carter Brothers & Brister's and one of them did roof lifts for shingles. The one exception was Manco who did karting full tilt for the whole year to get over 50,000 karts built annually. Kartco (Maxim) back up was roto-tillers, Robron did jet-ski trailers, T & D Metals (Klipper karts) made steel boxes like 1st aid kits, and tool boxes.

It was great to go into these plants and see them busy and lots of people working and then.....
 

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Im very confused about what everyone is disagreeing about however, where is this nice lady with the drugs? Mine just comes in with two big dudes that hold me down while she gives me a shot...
 

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I would have to agree with ezcome-ezgo on his evaluation of Ken-Bar. I don't know when they were in Toccoa but I had visited them in Cornelia and Baldwin, GA. Ken Alexander had a very nice plant. and operation. Like all the kart manufacturers they had a second business when karting got slow. Its busy season was August to January and then things slowed down. ( A go kart was a Christmas present.) They would get into their other line which was trampolines.

Several companies did lawnmowers like Carter Brothers & Brister's and one of them did roof lifts for shingles. The one exception was Manco who did karting full tilt for the whole year to get over 50,000 karts built annually. Kartco (Maxim) back up was roto-tillers, Robron did jet-ski trailers, T & D Metals (Klipper karts) made steel boxes like 1st aid kits, and tool boxes.

It was great to go into these plants and see them busy and lots of people working and then.....

I absolutely see what you are saying ... those guys were driven individuals who liked (and needed) to build stuff, constantly. Manco is the only exception I've found in my short time in go karting. They are the 'real' corporate deal. Not only did they print literature and catalogs they (most likely) updated changes in somewhat real time to their customer base.

The Rupp, Robron, Ken Bar and Carter Bros stuff I've seen is super heavy duty over engineered stuff built by people that cared about quality of the build although updating documentation most likely took a backseat. I currently have five 50 plus year old go kart frames that are structurally in very good condition (Robron, Ken Bar). The one exception I have is the Manco/SEARS (lime limo) that has structural issues.

These things were built to last by people that loved building things!
 
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