How much turbo boost in a stock Camry?

[oscaryu1]

Just wondering. Finishing up the turbo swap, and decided to go with a turbo manifold and T3 Clone...

How much boost do ya thunks is the... "best" aka not blow up in my face stuffles?

Engine has 200,000 miles on it. Transmission has 265,000.

 

[sideways]

about 8 psi i gues? or just run it at 15 an replace stuff when it breaks, camrys have cheap parts after all....

watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oapJiMceklA you may want to replicate it hehehehe

 

[lemegacool]

camry haves cheap parts... WHERE!!! oh i guess you're talking of a 4 cyl one... i have the 1mzfe v6 3.0l one lol parts costs a friggin fortune (takes lexus es300 parts or something like that)

seriously on the stock block i would say about 8 psi would be well enought!

i saw a v6 camry(the exact same one as mine) on youtube putting 520...hp on like 25 psi but the whole engine was modified...

 

[frederic]

With 10:1 compression ratio (typical of the japanese engines) you're likely not to get above 6-7 psi without breaking something.

Add to that concern the high mileage of your engine you're likely to have blow-by past the rings, worn bearings, and weeping gaskets. If you increase the power output through forced induction the stress on these parts increase, and any problems that are already there will be amplified and that's how you break parts very quickly.

Do it once, and do it right.

The only way to run 25psi of boost is to significantly lower the static compression ratio and fruther, replace the engine internals with stronger parts, possibly including the block. Maybe you can get away with making/buying a block girdle.

Naturally aspirated, modern engines easily produce 1 HP per CID with tuning and changes external to the engine. I do it all the time. THEN add forced induction.

 

[oscaryu1]

Well I hopes 7 is my lucky number ><

So yeah umm...

If it helps, I'm building the other "scrapped" engine.

3SGE Crankshaft, Eagle H Beam Billet Rods, Custom ground cams, Wiseco Pistons, Milled heads, 3 angle valve cut, new valves...

Just stuffles to get it running with a turbo with plenty o boostie.

Similar turbo engines (based off the same block - block ONLY, everything else different, head, ect...)

The 3SGE handles 150HP or so, so I can take some parts from that, and the 3SGTE (MR2), is a turbo version of the 3SGE, so I can scrap more parts from those...

Yay... any other tips? Block girdle is a good idea ><

 

[oscaryu1]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Cheapie T3 I wanted to put on it. Clone T3, obviously.

 

[Kaptain Krunch]

Arent you only like 14? Anyways, its worth a try, around here you can get whole camry parts cars, or even good running ones for $200 or so.

 

[frederic]

Yay... any other tips? Block girdle is a good idea ><

Additional fuel?

Wastegates?

Blow-off valve?

Intercooling?

Does the vehicle have to pass state emissions? Sniffing? Dyno? Visual?

What are you going to do about traction?

What is the RPM range you will be operating your engine in most of the time, under boost?

Where will idle be?

What RPM would you desire and in turn expect boost to appear?

If you have boost very quickly, what will you do about vaccum? Higher pressure check valves or an external vaccum pump?

How will you handle turbo manifold and turbocharger radiated heat?

A lot of people cobble stuff together with okay results. I've done this many times myself as experiments, to learn something, or prove a point.

However, if you want optimal results there's quite a bit of mathematics involved and would then recommend you purchase new or used the book "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell to start.

Like with everything else, it's all about weighing cost, abilities, part choices, goals, and so on.

There is a huge difference between "it works" and "it's wicked".

 

[Rotore]

dude a 3sgte has some expensive parts especially if you think about going with TRD. my neighbor built his 4a-ge up and got 578hp not that useful in a fwd corolla but it was soooo freakin expensive.

so instead a v6 and if you want power go i6 or rotary for that matter

 

[sideways]

but really if you want a powerfull car with out spending tones of money a camry is not for you, also FWD + big power = roling coffin but as a laugh not much would beat a turbo camry lol

if you havnt allready, find a toyota forum and ask them, theres probably somone there that has done it.

 

[frederic]

There's nothing wrong with a fast FWD car. I've built several myself, though the torque steer is annoying at best and of course there's the issue of weight transfer during hard acceleration (meaning the weight of the vehicle gets thrown back onto the non-driving rear wheels while the front wheels spin without purpose).

Heavier FWD cars have an advantage here... I had a 1993 Lincoln Continental which is essentially a really bloated Taurus. I had enough torque to snap CV's at will or if I accelerated just below the breaking point the trailer hitch would bang, then drag on the ground. I didn't build it for off-the-line acceleration, but rather for merging and passing power which was a lot of fun. It also had a four-wheel air-strut suspension system from the factory, and by copying some of the Mark VIII ECM code into the Continental's ECM I was able to have the suspension drop down onto the snubbers above 85 MPH. Even the lamest car design (which a Continental/Taurus would fall into) handles really well when dropped onto the snubbers.

Though before I supercharged the thing, I easily had about $8K into the engine in machine work.

 

[lemegacool]

if you really want a fast car, sell the camry and buy a toyota aristo!(300+hp supra engine) ... god i want one...

 

[jr dragster T]

This guy runs a stock bottom and top end RB20DET engine with one big Garrett Turbo. The car sounds like no other. Best part is he just drives it in to the race track, Throws a set of slicks on and has fun! Sure sounds better then that ricer beside him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2x_K_ahDwc&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1i-WyLLmmU&feature=channel

 

[sideways]

if you really want a fast car, sell the camry and buy a toyota aristo!(300+hp supra engine) ... god i want one...

or get a toyota cressida, there not as cool as an aristo but there 10 times cheaper, im pretty sure some of them came with a 1jz(supra engine) from the factory, you can get a cressida for less than $500 over here

 

[frederic]

heh-heh. Or take any FWD (like the one he has) and rip out the entire powertrain.

Then install any of the V8 FWD powertrains that you can fit. Doesn't have to be toyota. It's all about power to weight ratio.

THEN turbocharge ;-)

 

[sideways]

heh-heh. Or take any FWD (like the one he has) and rip out the entire powertrain.

Then install any of the V8 FWD powertrains that you can fit. Doesn't have to be toyota. It's all about power to weight ratio.

THEN turbocharge ;-)

i'd rather it in a rwd car....

 

[Rotore]

but really if you want a powerfull car with out spending tones of money a camry is not for you, also FWD + big power = roling coffin but as a laugh not much would beat a turbo camry lol

if you havnt allready, find a toyota forum and ask them, theres probably somone there that has done it.

i've seen a turbo v6's dude i drive a 300zx tt freaking love the car but i'm saying that its a turbo fwd that kind limits you to certain motorsports and requires not only engine work but more suspension work then you do on a average rwd.

There's nothing wrong with a fast FWD car. I've built several myself, though the torque steer is annoying at best and of course there's the issue of weight transfer during hard acceleration (meaning the weight of the vehicle gets thrown back onto the non-driving rear wheels while the front wheels spin without purpose).

Heavier FWD cars have an advantage here... I had a 1993 Lincoln Continental which is essentially a really bloated Taurus. I had enough torque to snap CV's at will or if I accelerated just below the breaking point the trailer hitch would bang, then drag on the ground. I didn't build it for off-the-line acceleration, but rather for merging and passing power which was a lot of fun. It also had a four-wheel air-strut suspension system from the factory, and by copying some of the Mark VIII ECM code into the Continental's ECM I was able to have the suspension drop down onto the snubbers above 85 MPH. Even the lamest car design (which a Continental/Taurus would fall into) handles really well when dropped onto the snubbers.

Though before I supercharged the thing, I easily had about $8K into the engine in machine work.

not sayings there is my friend has a fwd v6 mirage its a monster at the track but he cant do much with it.

This guy runs a stock bottom and top end RB20DET engine with one big Garrett Turbo. The car sounds like no other. Best part is he just drives it in to the race track, Throws a set of slicks on and has fun! Sure sounds better then that ricer beside him.

a 2jz would kill that but it is a good engine no doubt but instead of spending my time finding the engine and building with the small aftermarket support it has here in the US you'd be better off with a VG30dett which is half the price of the engine and is on the same level as it..

 

[frederic]

i'd rather it in a rwd car....

And I as well. Trust me when I say this... it took me a long time to "get used" to a fully air-suspended FWD lincoln with 600+ HP at the front wheels!

not sayings there is my friend has a fwd v6 mirage its a monster at the track but he cant do much with it.

I know, I was just responding generically on the subject at hand and not poking at anyone at all.

 

[Rotore]

i know i was just saying

 

[Kenny_McCormic]

So is this a 5S-FE or what? You would be better off doing a RWD V8 swap than trying to turbo an economy engine, my 92 even has a drive shaft tunnel already there for the AWD model