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I was looking for info on the coil gap for this flywheel and came across this. Shows how you can tune with the coil gap (at least with the ARC flywheel and small carb on gasoline if you have a dyno LOL).


Not what I was looking for, but worth sharing.

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It is not about more or less voltage to the coil, because it can only handle so much before they fry. We are accomplishing two things with more coil gap. (One), less magnet drag. The magnets in our flywheels are very strong and will produce some resistance when passing under the coil. This is more beneficial with smaller plate engines. (Two) and the most important is we are trying to time when and how much timing retard we have a high RPM. Every OEM coil no matter if its a Clone, Honda, Predator, Kohler or a Flathead briggs they will retard as the RPMs go up. If you set the timing at 30 deg it will still be at 30 deg while at idle, but as the RPMs rise the timing will begin to retard because the magnet is passing under the coil faster than it can charge and fire. <This is a known fact. Our flywheels have a magnet design that charges and fires the coil much better and more accurately at higher RPMs that does not retard as much as other flywheels, but does still retard. Now factor in that we are running a carb on Gasoline that has a .615 venturi that will reach the point of maximum suckage around 5500 RPM +/-. Because of the cam package and the size of the carb that is where it begins to lean out. We set up these carbs to have a very rich bottom end so they will accelerate quickly and that will require more timing to burn the excess fuel. So we set the timing in the 32-36 deg range to help with the rich bottom end. Now as I stated these little .615 carbs will begin to lean out around 5500 or so RPMs and you do not want to have high timing with a leaned out carb. running pump Gasoline. Therefor we widen the coil gap so the timing will begin to retard a little sooner to try and match the carb leaning out so the engine will continue to make top end power. This is something we worked with for many months while developing our new magnet design and why you can run more gap with the new style design and less with the oil style design. From our testing with the AKRA Clone engines a coil gap of .060-.065 works best on unrestricted engines, .065-.070 works best on blue and purple plates and .070-.075 on green and red. These coil gap numbers not set in stone you may find that more or less will work for you but will require the use of a Dyno, this is what works best for us with our engines on our Dyno. You results may vary...
 

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09-18-2016, 05:19 AM #19
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i just got a ambush wheel for another build and have not finished it yet . there timing is set at 34 degrees and after speaking with them they also recomend 40 coil gap even though the magnet is completely encased in the aluminum


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I have had numerous Honda coils go bad... They act as a rev limiter...
Usually at 6000rpm... Depending on the gap of the coil to flywheel... The farther away the lower the rpm...

I have also had the magnets go bad in several flywheels... Also act as a rev limiter...




So 0.040" when I install the flywheel. I suppose that sounds reasonable. Maybe a little bigger to start to be safe.

I'm going to run another hour or so with no load before I change to the new billet flywheel. Then I can install the top plate. I don't think I will need the stock gas tank after that. But who knows... Anything is possible. I still have no place to put this engine.
 

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But the flywheel cup is ugly too. Maybe I'll see if an electric drill will work?

Driver bit for drill, then extension, then deep-well socket to fit the flywheel nut. All welded together?
 

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I was just letting it run mounted on the buggy. Trying to finish off the break in period. I was using the brace and clamp it came with. Changing the idle RPM every few minutes and blipping the throttle every few seconds. I noticed the clamp slid down, and when I looked, I saw the crack.
 

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Son of a....

I was just letting it run mounted on the buggy. Trying to finish off the break in period. I was using the brace and clamp it came with. Changing the idle RPM every few minutes and blipping the throttle every few seconds. I noticed the clamp slid down, and when I looked, I saw the crack.
That's not good at all. I hope you can weld.
Sounds like you need at least one more hose clamp :lolgoku:
 

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That's not good at all. I hope you can weld.
Sounds like you need at least one more hose clamp :lolgoku:

I have a welder, but that doesn't mean I can weld. LOL

I'm going to see If either smallenginecams or Kartpipes will replace it. I don't see any reason why the pipe should break like that during break in period while using the supplied bracket and clamp.

---------- Post added at 03:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:36 AM ----------

You can polish the starter cup. It shines really nice.

Maybe I will give that a try.

---------- Post added at 03:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:37 AM ----------

If they don't want to give me a new pipe, I'll try to weld it. But I may try to strong arm who ever doesn't want to give me a new one. LOL.

You know 40,000 views on my last Predator thread. All people interested in building go kart engines. There is an audience. I have a soap box. What am I to tell these people?

I wonder if me looking at my own thread counts for a view? That would explain most of the views, but that can be my secret.
 

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So do I try to weld the exhaust today?

I have a rectifier for the welder on the way. It won't be here for weeks I'm guessing. I sent messages to smallenginecams (where I got the pipe) and to Robertsontoruqetubes (who makes the pipe) asking for a return / exchange.

I suppose I should wait for responses before attempting too weld it.

If going to weld it, I should wait for the rectifier.
 

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I attempted to install the new flywheel, but didn't bring the puller I use. It didn't want to come off with a hammer and screwdriver very easily. So tomorrow then.

Mocked up the top plate.

Here's what the plug looks like after break in. Can't wait to try to tune this on a Minibike.
 

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Works like a champ.
Craftsman 2 Jaw Large Gear Puller
Item: 46903 | Model: 46903
 

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Lapped in and installed using the 2 degree key flipped for -2 degrees.

So this 34 degree flywheel should be right around 32 degrees now.

No matter how polished, I am not going to like the look of the starter cup.
 

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Well I ordered a new air filter. It should keep large rocks out. Not really anything much smaller. I'll probably try to fit some nylon sock or something over the metal screen to add a finer mesh filter. Hope it is better than the $4 48mm air pod that is everywhere on the interweb. Half the price of the K&N filter. This thing by itself wouldn't seem to be much better than no filter at all. Hopefully the nylon will keep some of the dirt out. The metal screen will hopefully provide support so I don't get a run in my pantyhose.


The website's description says limitless flow, so you know it is good!:thumbsup:


so nice screen air filter for limitless flow. fits on OKO 21mm, 24mm, 28mm and 30mm carburetors.

OD of the chromey part = 65mm
OD at the largest part = 75mm
total length = 37mm
ID = 48mm


https://www.treatland.tv/OKO-air-filter-p/oko-air-filter-g1-48mm.htm
 

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I was using 16oz of oil during break in. I noticed oil coming out of the filter/vent I added to the top of the block. So I decided I'm going to use a catch can on this one.
It's got to be Billet for High RPMs right? Safety first. It's 1.5 x 4". Would make a nice little vertical 4 oz gas tank. Maybe get you through a drag race?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Billet-Alum...ng-/122431408193?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275

In the ARC Billet Side Cover Video, if I understood correctly, Jody says he likes two vents in the valve cover and two in the block/side cover (for engines turning 7000+ RPM). One line connecting a valve cover vent to a block vent. The other two vents (one block vent, one valve cover vent) going into a vented catch can. Says like that he can put 16oz of oil in and the catch can only collects maybe 1 oz per race day. Without the line connecting the valve cover and block, the can would collect maybe 2 oz. Says it seems to keep more oil inside the engine.

At about 48 minutes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIqt5TNHlHw
 

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Lapped in and installed using the 2 degree key flipped for -2 degrees.

So this 34 degree flywheel should be right around 32 degrees now.

No matter how polished, I am not going to like the look of the starter cup.

I have a question about that flywheel... Is it machined for the correct taper for the 60363 Predator.. I know the taper is different from Honda GX/other clone engines.
 
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