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Let talk firearms. :2guns:
Weather it be about what you own, or want to own or some good discussion about this that or the other thing... lets have at it!

Personally I own a nice Remington 700 bdl 30-06 in left hand.
Just got it mid rifle season here, shot it twice... unfortunatly it wasnt at a deer...:mad2:

We also have a Ruger 22. single 6 revolver, and a sporterized 303. British.
Also a Winchester 67 22. we are going to give to my uncle sooner or later... Untill then, I will continue to mangle cans and the occasional vermin.

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The History of Gun Control

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Let’s see how many defenseless people were exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:

Country Year(s) People
Exterminated
USSR 1929-1953 20,000,000
Turkey 1915-1917 1,500,000
Germany 1939-1945 13,000,000
China 1948-1952 20,000,000
Guatemala 1964-1981 100,000
Uganda 1971-1979 300,000
Cambodia 1975-1977 1,000,000

Total: 56 million.

Governments around the World need a history lesson.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
government, a program costing Australian taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

1) Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
2) Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.
3) Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!)
4) In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

Note, that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are ‘citizens.’ Without them, we are ’subjects.’

http://old.postworthy.com/?p=39114

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It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.

Source: Howard Nemerov, "Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban," D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009: http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

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The odd thing about gun control is that a culture of censorship often increases after anti-gun laws fail to deliver. So, it would be hard for an Australian writer to submit a piece on Switzerland’s pro-gun ownership culture and low gun crime rate because our media isn’t “ready” to accept opposing views. Only a “thought control” culture can sustain a “gun control” culture.

At times like these, it’s easy to fall prey to post-massacre opportunists. Still, reason and not emotion is our best guide. The facts (to quote the Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia) are as follows:

Between July 1 1997 and 30 June 1999 nine in ten offenders of firearm-related homicide were unlicensed firearm owners.

Raw data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) reveals that while suicide by firearms is continuing to decrease from a high in the 1980s, suicide by hanging steadily increased throughout the 1990s and increased for three consecutive years after the 1996 buy-back.

In the year 2002/2003, over 85% of firearms used to commit murder were unregistered. Recent legislation introduced by all states further strengthened controls on access to legitimate handguns by sporting shooters.

The AIC’s ‘Homicide in Australia: 2006-07 National Homicide Monitoring Program annual report’ stated that 93 per cent of firearms involved in homicides had never been registered and were used by unlicensed individuals.

Gun control is a myth, or rather a mountain of myths sustained by campaigning elites in secure buildings with armed bodyguards.

America, don’t repeat Australia’s gun control mistake: http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/19/america-dont-repeat-australias-gun-control-mistake/#ixzz2FBztmIkq

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My 5



Plus the one I picked up today


Are as follows (in order of obtainment):

-Remington Improved Model 6 .22LR
-Remington 870 Express 12ga, 26" barrel
-Mosin Nagant 91/30, receiver made in 1929 in Tula, Russia
-Ruger 10/22 Carbine
-H&R Topper 88 20ga
-Marlin 336 .30-30

May also be getting a muzzleloader from my cousin if he finds a new one that he likes. Used it to shoot this guy the other month


I got that Marin in a trade this afternoon. Bought new pads and shoes for my buddy's wife's Corolla, drove 3 hours to his house, put the pads on, ate dinner, got the gun, and drove 3 hours home. It's a $400+ gun that I basically got for $90.
 

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let's see here we have:

2- 7mm-08s
2- .380
1- 30-06
1- 20 gauge
1- 12 gauge
2- .22s
1- .50 cal black powder
I think that's it. Needless to say we are a hunting and gun owning family!
 

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Sometime in the nearish future, Im hoping to expand my collection with a Remington 870 12ga, and a 410 break barrel if I can find a decent one. Also a Left handed bolt action 22. and a muzzle loader.
Those would be the more practical to have I think in my situation.

But then theres the "fun" ones...
Ive been thinking about getting a Mosin Nagant, I hear they can shoot fireballs... a semi auto 22. a double barrel 12ga, and a 303. British/Lee Enfield that still has all the wood, sight guards and the bayonet.
Maybe even something like a M1 or something similar...
 

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we have a 22 250 a 12 gauge and a 36 gauge

our biggest gun is a 22 rifle

they are kept in a locked cabinet by law and the ammo is kept in a separate locked safe

they are only use around the house if we have a wild cat after our cats

Australia may have tightened gun ownership but it really doesn't bother me
but really who carrys a hand gun everywhere
the reason those results are up is due to an explosion it population and a changing economic market
some areas have lost all there wealth where others have exploded with growth

if u were to find where the stats came from u would find they are from certain suburbs of certain city's

in Australia a single murder can be front page news for a few days because it is rare
also there is alto of ethnic clashes from migrants clashing with other migrants
nothing to do with us just the stupid government letting everyone in willy nilly

like iv said before
i live and work in the city in a cheap dodgy neighborhood but i don't sleep with a gun
i rarely lock my doors at night and i dint every think whats going happen while i sleep
the worst ill get is a drunk yelling abuse at me
in 2 years iv had 1 person try to fight me but was stopped in seconds his own Friends

as for the genocides
some people with guns were not going to stop that
they are on a hole different level
I'm unsure of the turkey situation but in all of the examples it would have been a few day clashing with rebels then they would have all ended up dead or in the concentration camps

if the US government turned its army on u would u really stand a chance
 

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we have a 22 250 a 12 gauge and a 36 gauge

our biggest gun is a 22 rifle

they are kept in a locked cabinet by law and the ammo is kept in a separate locked safe

they are only use around the house if we have a wild cat after our cats

Australia may have tightened gun ownership but it really doesn't bother me
but really who carrys a hand gun everywhere
the reason those results are up is due to an explosion it population and a changing economic market
some areas have lost all there wealth where others have exploded with growth

if u were to find where the stats came from u would find they are from certain suburbs of certain city's

in Australia a single murder can be front page news for a few days because it is rare
also there is alto of ethnic clashes from migrants clashing with other migrants
nothing to do with us just the stupid government letting everyone in willy nilly

like iv said before
i live and work in the city in a cheap dodgy neighborhood but i don't sleep with a gun
i rarely lock my doors at night and i dint every think whats going happen while i sleep
the worst ill get is a drunk yelling abuse at me
in 2 years iv had 1 person try to fight me but was stopped in seconds his own Friends

as for the genocides
some people with guns were not going to stop that
they are on a hole different level
I'm unsure of the turkey situation but in all of the examples it would have been a few day clashing with rebels then they would have all ended up dead or in the concentration camps

if the US government turned its army on u would u really stand a chance



No but we would not get on train cars without a fight.
 

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I have a Remington lever action .22, an old bolt action .22 thats all beat up not sure of make, and a 1940's vintage (i believe) break barrel 12 gauge. The 12 gauge is my favorite, its a wards hercules model 10, really nice shooting gun and breaks down in 3 parts in less than 30 seconds.

As far as gun control goes, i'd like to see them try. My guns aint goin anywhere, and if i had the money i'd have quite a few more.
 

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Sorry guys but, the only comment I can make is "bad timing". With Sandy Hook still fresh in everyones minds, isn't this a bit of a touchy subject?
 

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:iagree:

I wish I had the money for more guns but I have college to pay for.

$$$ is hard for me to come by aswell. My 30-06 cost some wild $530, and I only had $260. :ack2:
My brother said I was getting a gun that day, and that I probably wouldnt have any money left. He paid for over half of the thing.

Though, Im not planning on going to collage... but still... money aint cheap! :roflol:

Save up 180 and get a Mosin Nagant and a 440 round spam can. :D

On another note,
Heres an interesting article...
Regarding recent events and "gun free zones"
 

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Sorry guys but, the only comment I can make is "bad timing". With Sandy Hook still fresh in everyones minds, isn't this a bit of a touchy subject?

Yes, it is... especially with recent events.
I was actually thinking about making this topic a few months ago but never got around to it...
 

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Sorry guys but, the only comment I can make is "bad timing". With Sandy Hook still fresh in everyones minds, isn't this a bit of a touchy subject?

Not to sound like a heartless person, but no. Taking my guns away...thats a touchy subject.

The Sandy Hook shootings are very tragic, dont get me wrong, it makes me sick to think of how F-ed up you have to be to shoot a bunch of 6 year olds multiple times. However, it also makes me want to apply for a conceal-carry permit as soon as i can. This world is a dangerous place, and its definitely not getting any safer.

Anyone offended by people who want to keep their weapons to protect their family and loved ones, are quite frankly ignorant. If/when the shat hits the fan, they are going to feel awfully vulnerable.

Maybe i just worry too much, but thats how i feel. Psycho's are everywhere. a friend of a friend recently got robbed at gun point when he went to check out a dirt bike for sale on craigslist...Rather be prepared than not.
 

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Ruger Mark II "Government Target" model .22 auto pistol
Ruger Bearcat .22 revolver
Marlin .22 auto rifle
Marlin .22 auto rifle (I like them)
Remington .22 pump rifle
.410 side-by-side double-barrel, unknown make
Stevens .410 bolt-action
Remington 870 pump 12-gauge
Assortment of baseball bats
Assortment of kitchen knives
Several chainsaws, axes, machetes, and weedeaters.

All firearms are loaded, all chainsaws are fueled, all axes are sharpened - because otherwise they're just lumps of metal.
 

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I don't think this subject is either poorly timed, OR too touchy to touch upon. That horrible incident rather unfortunately bumps this subject to the tops of everyone's minds, anyhow.

To ignore the issue is to bury one's head in the sand, like an ostrich- hoping fruitlessly that the problem will not see you and simply go away.

We do have these problems, and they are very real and very daunting. "Gun Control". The term conjures up images of polar opposites- one side, ultraleft pointing their fingers at the bad, bad man with the hobby, or the hunter. On the other side of the line are a bunch of hyper-right neo-neanderthals with AK-47's and an anything-goes attitude.

I find it interesting that there never seems to be a middle ground. Very few seem to recognize that there can be a compromise- that there IS a place for hunters, hobbyists, collectors...

Here's the problem as I see it. As far as the USA is concerned, the horses are out so there's no sense closing the gate. The gate should have been closed before said horses got out. Yes, I'm all for rights and freedoms. Yes, I too am considering getting my firearms permit. NOT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE ONE! There are millions of guns on the street. Some in the hands of perfectly sane, stable, responsible individuals, many not. Its the NOT's that are indeed the problem.

It is just too danged easy to get your hands on a gun. So- what- you've got one in the glove box of your car? Sure. You never know. You could be driving through a bad neighbourhood in Detroit or L.A. and get accosted, and you're protecting yourself and your family. Cool.

What if you have an anger management issue? What if you're horribly depressed? What if your wife just cheated on you? Your best friend did it with her! Okay- YOU are stable and controlled enough that you're not going to do anything stupid with that gun in your glove box. But there are many, many people that would!!! And THAT is the problem.

So what can you do? Not much, folks. The horses have escaped. But I will make the following gun control comments in point form that you-all may wish to examine...

1) Nobody, but NOBODY outside the military needs an assault rifle, machine gun, or the like. What excuse have you? They are made to kill en masse, period.

2) Gun control does nothing for the criminal element. They will have them, they will use them, they care not about laws. This is why we call them criminals.

3) The teeth in a legal system comes not in the laws, but in the punishment. Certifiable nutjobs aside (and there's just NO accounting for them), what we need (and I'm including Canada in this) is a viable penal system. Something like, "If you use a firearm in the commission of ANY crime, you are tied to a pole, blindfolded, handed a cigarette, and given your last chance to speak...

And once again, before y'all tear my*** of for trying to deny your right to keep and bear arms, again I say- I am getting my permit, and down the road, a rifle.

And before I sit back and watch the fireworks- I do sincerely offer my deepest sympathies and condolences to all the families and friends of the victims, and even to the surviving children that witnessed it. It will be a long, hard road.
 

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I agree with everything you said. The three main problems I see are:

1. For the US, to impliment gun control is to remove their constitutional right to bear arms; how do you get around that?

2. Correct, not everyone should have a firearms permit but, where is the line drawn? I, personally, have a criminal record, albeit a single assault charge from 20 years ago, & a history of diagnosed depression. I'm more than stable now but, would that prevent me from getting a firearms permit? If not, WHY? As far as I'm concerned, it should!

3. No matter what laws are in place, the simple fact is if someone wants a gun bad enough, they'll find a way of getting one...
 

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1) While there is an element ( A LARGE one!) of truth there, let's not lose sight of the fact that the US constitution was originally penned in 1789, as I recall. The States, and the world as a whole, were a very different place. Times change. New laws, amendments, or replacements to existing laws are penned every day to keep up with this changing world... Besides, like I said- the gate is open, and Elvis has left the building.

2) Then in my opinion, you should not be permitted to own a firearm (barring further info)

3) Absolutely- hence, my comments regarding punishment.
 
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