engine cuts out after top speed run

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i have an Ironton 208cc engine that i zip-tied the governor to.
and whenever i go over 37 and i hit top speed (42 or round there) the engine cuts out after i go back to idle.
tunning the afr helped a bit but it still does it if i go at 40 for more than a second
anyone know what could be happeneing?
 

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ur right i forgot to say
the oil sensor is unplugged
and the float bowl does get enough gas,
i thought it might have been a dirty carb but i've cleaned it 2 times now and i'm 100% sure it's clean.
 

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Some ignition coils have an electronic governor. The new 212 ghost has one.
 

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i doubt mine has one cuz it cuts out AFTER i let the gas off not while it's running
and the weird thing is that it's fine as long as i keep under high rpms so there's something going on there at high rpm
i just dkw what.
 

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I just thought of something. How low is your idle set? If the idle is set too low and the throttle gets pulled back quickly by the governor, the engine could get too little gas causing it to die like it doesn't have enough fuel
 

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I just thought of something. How low is your idle set? If the idle is set too low and the throttle gets pulled back quickly by the governor, the engine could get too little gas causing it to die like it doesn't have enough fuel
i think that’s probably it
the problem with putting it higher is that the kart starts to go forward by itself
not too fast but it goes faster than walking speed
and normally i wouldn’t mind that because i can stop it by just turning the wheels but i feel lm burning the belt that way
is that normal , the runaway thing?
 

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i think that’s probably it
the problem with putting it higher is that the kart starts to go forward by itself
not too fast but it goes faster than walking speed
and normally i wouldn’t mind that because i can stop it by just turning the wheels but i feel lm burning the belt that way
is that normal , the runaway thing?
Are you running a cvt or a centrifugal clutch? You can replace weights in a cvt for a higher stall speed. A higher stall speed will keep.it from creeping
 

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@Idkw much 👍

Your fix is right here.

Post in thread 'continued affordable mods' https://www.diygokarts.com/community/threads/continued-affordable-mods.47501/post-595112

Why did I say low and high speed jets too lean????

Think about this for a min or 2.

You are already too lean on the high side, your combustion chamber is already over heated at WOT.

Now you let off the go fast pedal, butterfly in carb closes, the piston speed is still high, now its trying to pull fuel thur the low speed jet, which is half the size of the main jet......well its too lean to begin with, so combustion temps go even higher.

Now you hit the go fast pedal again, butterfly in carb opens, pulls fuel from the main jet, which is twice as much as the low speed jet, but still too small to begin with.

That cool fuel/air hitting an already over heated combustion chamber is causing an uncontrollably burn, unsteady pressures, inside the combustion chamber and causing it to spit, sputter, stumble, til the temps come back down and every thing starts working together again.

Then you do it again.

the higher the rpm, the worse this situation gets.

Piston and rings can only take so much temperature from a bad tune, then they won't hold pressure above them anymore. You will have more pressure under the piston, then on top of it.

Gasoline is not just a flammable liquid.......it's also a coolant.

Make sense??????

i mentioned the zip tie before. But you say you need it. So I gave up.

Hope this helps, good luck 👍
 

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@Idkw much 👍

Your fix is right here.

Post in thread 'continued affordable mods' https://www.diygokarts.com/community/threads/continued-affordable-mods.47501/post-595112

Why did I say low and high speed jets too lean????

Think about this for a min or 2.

You are already too lean on the high side, your combustion chamber is already over heated at WOT.

Now you let off the go fast pedal, butterfly in carb closes, the piston speed is still high, now its trying to pull fuel thur the low speed jet, which is half the size of the main jet......well its too lean to begin with, so combustion temps go even higher.

Now you hit the go fast pedal again, butterfly in carb opens, pulls fuel from the main jet, which is twice as much as the low speed jet, but still too small to begin with.

That cool fuel/air hitting an already over heated combustion chamber is causing an uncontrollably burn, unsteady pressures, inside the combustion chamber and causing it to spit, sputter, stumble, til the temps come back down and every thing starts working together again.

Then you do it again.

the higher the rpm, the worse this situation gets.

Piston and rings can only take so much temperature from a bad tune, then they won't hold pressure above them anymore. You will have more pressure under the piston, then on top of it.

Gasoline is not just a flammable liquid.......it's also a coolant.

Make sense??????

i mentioned the zip tie before. But you say you need it. So I gave up.

Hope this helps, good luck 👍
i took the zip tie out and it still died after a tip speed run
That’s sound like it
It the thing is if I go any richer it dies at idle
Idk what why , I’ve cleaned the carb 2 times already, I kw it’s clean
 

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That’s sound like it
It the thing is if I go any richer it dies at idle
Idk what why , I’ve cleaned the carb 2 times already, I kw it’s clean
When you say "go any richer" are you actually changing low and high speed jets???? Or jus turning the low speed mixture adjustment????

The low speed mixture is for idle quality and transition from idle to high rpm. After 1/4 throttle its jus along for the ride, doing absolutely nothing for the high side.

That 1/32" drill bit will richen the high side for you. It might need more, but it's gonna be better then what you got.
 
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