Corona Beer Virus

[Denny]

I'm going on 8 years with this dealership. Really need to get out of it. Money is kind of decent, but haven't been able to turn liveable hours in months and it's been very, very inconsistent. There's a few fab shops around me within a few miles. But that might kill the motivation I have for wanting to build my buggy.

You got to do what you need to, to be happy.

 

[Hellion]

The worst I ever found was 1 can of Pepsi under the rear carpet of a Regal. I opened it and drank it. It was good!

Oh you lucky dog, you. Since that was 100 years ago, it was probably a “Mexican Pepsi“ with real cane sugar!

 

[Denny]

Oh you lucky dog, you. Since that was 100 years ago, it was probably a “Mexican Pepsi“ with real cane sugar!

Nope, it was about in 1986 or 87. Think rear wheel drive Regal.

 

[Kartorbust]

Same body style, my brother had an '86 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham. We called it the Gutless Cutlass because it had the underpowered V6. When the engine blew, we should've dropped in a 305 or 307 and got a different automatic slush box for it. But my brother having anger problems didn't take care of the car very well.

Back then, it might've had real sugar in it. I unfortunately grew up with the artificial sweeteners in Pepsi and Mountain Dew. But have had the classic throwbacks that had cane sugar in it.

 

[Denny]

Back then we just called it Pepsi. A 455 would have bolted in just as easy! And would have been more funner!

 

[Hellion]

We called it the Gutless Cutlass because it had the underpowered V6

The real Moldsmobile Gutless was the Cutlass Ciera. My father had one, also 1986. He cheaped out and got the 4-banger Iron Duke engine. Literally a V-8 that was sawn in half to make a 4 cylinder. Luckily he didn't have it long

 

[Whitetrashrocker]

That iron duke was a formidable engine. Look at all the mail trucks on the road. I think it was also in the Fiero.

 

[Denny]

The real Moldsmobile Gutless was the Cutlass Ciera. My father had one, also 1986. He cheaped out and got the 4-banger Iron Duke engine. Literally a V-8 that was sawn in half to make a 4 cylinder. Luckily he didn't have it long

It was not a v8 that was sawn in half. That was an incorrect rumor, it was a clean sheet design from Pontiac. That was an earlier Pontiac engine that had the 4 cylinders lopped off a 389 the Trophy.

 

[Kartorbust]

That's like saying the Olds 4.3 and 350 were gas engines and converted to diesel. 100% false. They were stronger blocks. They only shared some of the tooling from the gas engine family.

 

[Hellion]

It was not a v8 that was sawn in half. That was an incorrect rumor,

Oh bummer, man! Noooo. It was still a crappy engine though and ran rather roughly and sounded horrible.

Speaking of platforms with the Iron Dookie , my brother had a Fiero but it was the 1987 GT model and it was equipped with a GM V6. the engine was painted up rather attractively from the factory in Italian red on the valve covers and on the large intake plenum which had "Fiero GT" cast into it. It seemed to be quite potent especially for the size of the car. I drove it a few times and thought so too. It was a Saturn before there was Saturn (plastic and fiberglass body, dent resistant doors).

 

[Edwin Spangler]

Oh bummer, man! Noooo. It was still a crappy engine though and ran rather roughly and sounded horrible.

Speaking of platforms with the Iron Dookie , my brother had a Fiero but it was the 1987 GT model and it was equipped with a GM V6. the engine was painted up rather attractively from the factory in Italian red on the valve covers and on the large intake plenum which had "Fiero GT" cast into it. It seemed to be quite potent especially for the size of the car. I drove it a few times and thought so too. It was a Saturn before there was Saturn (plastic and fiberglass body, dent resistant doors).

3800, my favorite engine. Ive had many. Two supercharged ones at the moment. I stick with the GM W-Body though.

EDIT: Wasnt the 3800 a 305 (or 304 from the Cutlass) with two cylinders chopped off?

 

[Hellion]

3800, my favorite engine. Ive had many. Two supercharged ones at the moment. I stick with the GM W-Body though.

EDIT: Wasnt the 3800 a 305 (or 304 from the Cutlass) with two cylinders chopped off?

I was going to say I have no idea right off the bat, but that sounds right from what I have heard now that I think about it.. I heard the GM (or Buick V6) came from a V8 with essentially two of the rear cylinders lopped off. That V6 started off with an odd-fire ignition sequence (which sounds amazing by the way) which carried over from the original V8 until they changed it to even fire and fixed the ‘error’. Or something like that. Don't quote me!

I’m waiting now for Denny to come in correct the facts and debunk the rumor(s).

EDIT: sorry Budget GoKart for helping to derail and hijack your long dormant thread.

 

[Kartorbust]

I know that the 3.7L from Dodge is just a V6 version of the 4.7L V8. Both problematic. The Pushrod V6, the 3.9L was just a V6 version of either the 5.2 (318) or the 5.9 (360). Most everyone at work agrees that the pushrod V8s the 318 and 360 were way better than what replaced them, especially for the Dodge Dakota and Durango.

Also, around 2004 or maybe 2005, the 5.7 Hemi switched to Can-Bus for communication. First couple years used IPC or ICP (too many acronyms to remember). Which makes a difference if you plan on doing a Hemi swap.

 

[Edwin Spangler]

I was going to say I have no idea right off the bat, but that sounds right from what I have heard now that I think about it.. I heard the GM (or Buick V6) came from a V8 with essentially two of the rear cylinders lopped off. That V6 started off with an odd-fire ignition sequence (which sounds amazing by the way) which carried over from the original V8 until they changed it to even fire and fixed the ‘error’. Or something like that. Don't quote me!

I’m waiting now for Denny to come in correct the facts and debunk the rumor(s).

EDIT: sorry Budget GoKart for helping to derail and hijack your long dormant thread.

The odd firing sequence is very much hated in the w-body community due to the raspy sound it makes if you have anything other than the stock exhaust.

It can be made to sound amazing with the proper placement of a Helmholtz resonator(s) but its still not a proper sound to pair with a Monte Carlo, Firebird, Grand Prix... Some of those guys have them sounding very similar to a 2J. I keep my exhaust as silent as possible on them. I would rather hear the SC screaming. 3.8" stock swapped to a 2.8" with supporting mods, it really screams.

As far as I know, they never changed the firing order. My Hayne's manuals show the same firing order shared between the series 2 and 3.

 

[Denny]

Oh bummer, man! Noooo. It was still a crappy engine though and ran rather roughly and sounded horrible.

Speaking of platforms with the Iron Dookie , my brother had a Fiero but it was the 1987 GT model and it was equipped with a GM V6. the engine was painted up rather attractively from the factory in Italian red on the valve covers and on the large intake plenum which had "Fiero GT" cast into it. It seemed to be quite potent especially for the size of the car. I drove it a few times and thought so too. It was a Saturn before there was Saturn (plastic and fiberglass body, dent resistant doors).

The Fiero v6 was a Chevrolet design 2.8 liters. Clean sheet design for the S10 but for front wheel drive applications.

3800, my favorite engine. Ive had many. Two supercharged ones at the moment. I stick with the GM W-Body though.

EDIT: Wasnt the 3800 a 305 (or 304 from the Cutlass) with two cylinders chopped off?

The 3800 was a clean sheet redesign of the original odd fire v6 from 1962 but an updated version of the even fire engine of 1978. The 3800 first debuted in 1986 and was a great engine with a 250,000 life expectancy if timing chains were changed every 125,000 miles. The 62 v6 was a clean sheet design which Buick sold the rights and tooling in 64 or 65 to AMC. Who then sold the rights and tooling back to Buick around 72 for the 73 model year. While rare as chicken lips if you look around you can find odd fire blocks with Chrysler torque flight bellhousing patterns.
So children what have we learned? DONT BELIEVE THE RUMORS!!!

The only V6 that originally started out as a V8 is the Chevrolet 4.3 litre V6. Its design was taken from a Chevrolet 350 and 2 cylinders out of the middle were removed.
That’s all for today’s history learnin.

 

[Whitetrashrocker]

I swear our fiero had the i4.

 

[Hellion]

62 v6 was a clean sheet design which Buick sold the rights and tooling in 64 or 65 to AMC

Wrong! That entity was known as Kaiser Jeep Corporation at that time but essentially a continuation of Willys-Overland as the company kept changing hands. Ahh, good ol' KAISER. They were still real Jeeps at that time, not these modern abominations...

 

[Denny]

Wrong! That entity was known as Kaiser Jeep Corporation at that time but essentially a continuation of Willys-Overland as the company kept changing hands. Ahh, good ol' KAISER. They were still real Jeeps at that time, not these modern abominations...

Wrong! It was sold to AMC who made them also for Kaiser. AMC did figure out quickly that it was a crappy design. That’s why they never did anything with it. When Buick wanted it back at the start of the gas crisis AMC jumped at it.

 

[Hellion]

Good job! Can't fool the Dennster!

I have a Dauntless V6 in my '67. As far as us Jeep nerds go, it is a pretty amazing engine and the idle is a nice potato-potato-potato.

 

[Kartorbust]

Best engine ever devised from AMC was the 4L I6.