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Ok so i got a new Walbro carb for my Honda 5.5 engine.I put it on and the motor wouldnt start. I tried adjusting the screws but I guess I dont know how.i decided to put my old one on until I get the new one adjusted. The old one is a Keihin. With the old one on(it worked before) the motor still didnt start.I guess its an air problem or what? Help please.
 

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Same for every engine doesn't start question....
Does it try to start???
Did you recently have the camshaft out?

I'm tired... so this might not be as universal or complete as it could be, here's what you get. LOL

1.) Make sure there is a spark. Take out plug and put wire back on. Lay against the block and pull the cord. Look for spark. If no spark then check ground wire, then coil gap, then try a new plug. If still no spark, then maybe need a new coil.

2.) Make sure fuel is getting to the carb and in the bowl. Check the line. Check the bowl.

3.) If all the above seem ok, You can spray carb cleaner or starting fluid though the carb with the slide open and try to start it. If it starts and dies or tries to start, then you probably need to clean the carb.

4.) If it still doesn't try to start, take off the valve cover and make sure everything looks hunky-dory in there. Is the lash set correctly?

5.) If can't find anything wrong and still won't start...Take off the flywheel and check for a sheered flywheel key.... The timing is probably off due to a sheered key.

6.) If key looks good.... Check compression. Can do this earlier is the diagnosing too. Pull spark Plug an put thumb on hole. Pull cord. Check for pressure. ... Compression test. Leakdown Test. New Head gasket. Hone Cylinder. New Rings. Valve Job.
 

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Same for every engine doesn't start question....
Does it try to start???
Did you recently have the camshaft out?.....

I thought he'd heard already?


There's way too many variables at stake here to try to speculate what the issue might be, but it's safe to say you are having an error. :(

In my limited experience, carbs are set from the factory to be "runnable" from the get-go. Maybe yours is defective junk?

Are you going to try or answer any of Bob580's six suggestions or was it just too long for you to read?
I and others here fully endorse Bob's expertise. It's not like he's talking out of his alimentary canal here...

May I suggest jigsaw puzzles as an alternative to small engine fun? A neat hobby, all the pieces and everything you'll ever need are in the box in a nice concise package.

:wai:
 

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I would not presume to perform open heart surgery, because I am not sufficiently trained to do so.

Same diff:lolgoku::lolgoku::lolgoku::lolgoku:
 

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If the cam and crank were out, did you make sure to align the timing marks on each gear when reinstalling?
Did the lifters and pushrods drop into the crankcase? If so, did you open up the valve cover to make sure the pushrods were properly set back into the rocker arms?
Do you know how to set valve lash? How to find Top Dead Center of the Compression stroke?

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I should pay EZ^2 to do a 3D rendering of an Engine Doesn't Start Trouble Shooting Flow Chart.

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I don't think a bad crankshaft oil seal would cause an engine not to start. Head gasket maybe?
Intake gasket maybe? Bad spark plug seal maybe?

Crankcase leak, probably not going to cause a starting issue.
 

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I made sure the marks on the crank and cam were lined up so thats probally not it. The sparkplug looks fine. When I try to start it everything turns over fine but it doesnt try to fire up.Im pretty sure the carb and fuel line are all clear.What do you mean is the lash set correctly?

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Got a set of new gaskets to fix the oil leak. Any idea what the rest are for?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EWL4BD4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

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Valve cover, exhaust, carb, side cover crank seal, opp drive end seal, head gasket.....

I understand you are new to the whole engine thing(or at least small engines), there however is a service manual available that will go into the complete disassembly and re assembly of the motor, of all it's parts... What they do and look like... Need to do some research...

Here on the forum there is a number of threads on valve lash and why it's important.... Aswell as any thread of bob58o as he goes into a vast detail on almost anything related of these motors...
 

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Do you know where that manuel is? I need to make sure I put this whole thing together right;)
Also ill do research on the valve lash.
Just discovered that there is air leaking around the rubber hose from the ohv cover to the air filter.Im going to try to tape that up real good.
 

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The spark plug looks good, but you didn't tell me if it is sparking. Also obviously didn't follow the flow chart. That list is good for every 4 stroke industrial engine that won't start. Follow that guide and you WILL find your issue.

Pushrods not in place or sheered flywheel key (assuming you checked and are getting a spark) would be my diagnosis. Take the valve cover off and take me a picture.

Just discovered that there is air leaking around the rubber hose from the ohv cover to the air filter.Im going to try to tape that up real good.

That hose is just for environmental purposes. The Positive Crankcase Ventilation (comes from the valve cover - says OHV) goes to the air box. This prevents oil and gas fumes and stuff from being released to the atmosphere. It sends it back through the intake so it has a chance to be burned off a second time. Should be able to remove that hose and it shouldn't affect performance. Maybe spray a bit of oil, but nothing major.

That OHV cover is the valve cover. Take the cover off look at the valves. Also take the spark plug out and look in the hole and watch the piston. Spin the engine over and watch them. Find the intake stroke, the compression stroke, the power stroke, and the exhaust stroke. You should see the springs compress on the appropiate stroke. The intake spring will compress on the intake stroke. The exhaust stroke will compress on the exhaust stroke.

Intake stroke -
Piston moves down during the intake stroke and the intake spring compresses.

Compression stroke -
Piston moves back up and both valves are closed.

Power Stroke -
Piston moves down and both valves are still closed.

Exhaust stroke -
Piston moves back up and exhaust valve is closed.

You'll notice a small twitch of the exhaust valve during the compression stoke. This is the camshaft's compression release working properly.

You need to set lash when the piston is at Top Dead Center between the compression stroke and power stroke. Both Valves will be closed. Valve springs will be uncompressed. Lifters are sitting on the camshaft base circle (not the lobes of the cam).

Use feeler gauges to set the lash. Take a 0.004" gauge and place it between the rocker arm and the valve stem (or lash cap if using one). Keep the gauge there while tightening the adjuster on the rocker arm. If you tighten it with a 0.004 feeler gauge, then it will probably end up being around 0.003". The 0.003" feeler gauge should slide in and out, but with resistance. The 0.004" should be too thick to slide in and out without a lot a resistance.

I'm not sure I've watched this video. We can watch it together.:popcorn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QZWV6S-5aA

At like 4 minutes or 4:30 he finds top dead center of the compression stroke and sets the lash, but the whole video is worth watching so you can learn a bit.

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Here's a Red Beard's video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHqgwsL3AY
 

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If you look close in the corner of photo 3 you can see part of the govenor that I took out. That shouldnt have any affect on this problem should it? The spark plug is pretty black at the end but it still sparks so thats not it...
 

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I don't think the rocker arms are actually touching the valves. If that's true, I have nothing else to say.
 

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Ya your rocker arms need to be on top of the valves so it actually opens the valves. There also should be little caps on the end of each valve, and in the pic only one of them is there.
 

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Good news, you found the problem.

These are from the shop manual for larger engines, the specs may not be correct for your engine.
You can go to the Honda website and download a free owners manual, it probably will have the proper specs.
 

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