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[fowler]

there doesnt appear to be too much wrong with the ackerman of that pic

the welding a screw thing will never break if it is welded properly

iv seen a welded 10mm bolt hold 1 tonne off the ground

u need to make the sindles double sheer

rose joints like above will work but u need two each sid and have them screw into the frame, this will help adjust the geometry.

u need new tie rods as the current ones are no good
u will need some ball joints and some tie rod (big long bolt)

lastly that red line is showing u the angle that your kingpin needs to be at

the top drawing shows the setup u have and the bottom show the setup u need

note how the whole setup is closer to the wheel some on it is sitting inside the wheel

take a look under your car that is what we are trying to recreate

 

[sYc]

""u need to make the sindles double sheer

rose joints like above will work but u need two each sid and have them screw into the frame, this will help adjust the geometry.""
i didnt understand this.
what is the king pin , because i think i have understang wrong...

 

[fowler]

the kingpin is the bolt that goes though the fame and the rose joint

the blue in myu paint pic are the rose joints
on the current setup u have screwed a bolt into the roase joint and used that as your axil

but what i usually do is screw the rose joints onto the frame and make a spindle like r97 posted

if u use two rose joints (one top one bottom) then u can screw them in or out to acheive the best angle


does anyone have a good steering geometry page to post up

 

[JHen]

The red line in that picture shows how the king pin should be angled, roughly. You should be able to draw a line straight along the rotating axis of the king pin and have it connect with the center of the tire where it contacts the ground.

 

[fowler]

like i did on the red line in my pic

 

[sYc]

there doesnt appear to be too much wrong with the ackerman of that pic

the welding a screw thing will never break if it is welded properly

iv seen a welded 10mm bolt hold 1 tonne off the ground

u need to make the sindles double sheer

rose joints like above will work but u need two each sid and have them screw into the frame, this will help adjust the geometry.

u need new tie rods as the current ones are no good
u will need some ball joints and some tie rod (big long bolt)

lastly that red line is showing u the angle that your kingpin needs to be at

the top drawing shows the setup u have and the bottom show the setup u need

note how the whole setup is closer to the wheel some on it is sitting inside the wheel

take a look under your car that is what we are trying to recreate

could you please draw better the second one with the two joints ! i am really intersted in that!! Thamks for your time!

 

[Orange Krate]

The more I look at that picture, the less I can figure out what's holding the frontend together.

Why it's that spring of course!

no, it is a cool, ambitious build. Glad you're open to strengthening it's weak links.

 

[fowler]

i cant realy do a better drawing because i am crap at paint

these are the examples from my toys

u can see in the first 2nd 3rd pic how the kingpin tilts in at the top

the first pic was sopose to show the adjustable kpi and camber (the shiny bit at the top)

but there are bolts joining the a arms so if a want to get less camber id take the top a arm off and screw the joints out a bit which forces the top of the tyre out a bit

but u proberly want something like the 2nd pic as it is easyer to build (ignore the fact it is part of suspension)

see in the 4th pic how the tie rod is a lot thicker that yours and see how it screws in and out to get the tracking right

 

[Doc Sprocket]

no, it is a cool, ambitious build. Glad you're open to strengthening it's weak links.

Of course! The OP got it together, and that's worth a lot in my book. It does need some improvement, but it's a good start and has a lot of potential!

 

[sYc]

thank you all! i will try to improve as much as i can!
1) At the two circles there is no bearing or something to make more easier turning? When you tighten the screw it doesnt stop turning?
2)can you take a pic from there where the arrow points? the inside of the wheel..(pic1)
i want to see how you make this ( ]-- ).. You got it from somewhere or you welded it..? (pic2)
thank you and excuse my English!

 

[fowler]

in the circles there are usually nylon bushings or just metal on metal with grease

to be honest i dont know about this setup as i havnt taken it apart it yet

im taking this to work tommoro and ill take the tyre off to get a better pic in better light