can anyone give me any info on a "Full tilt" brand go cart?

[dinot71]

Someone is selling one in my area and I was wondering what they are worth and if they are any good? can anyone tell if that is a 2 cycle engine?

 

[Russ2251]

can anyone tell if that is a 2 cycle engine?

Clearly, it is.

 

[anderkart]

Full Tilt seems to be a racekart shop in New Jersey, they dont make karts:--> http://www.fulltiltracing.com/

I'm not sure what brand that kart in your pic is, (possibly an Invader) but I can tell its probably older than the year 2000 from the angle the front of the Nerf bar mounts into the frame. After 2000 most all racekart brands changed this angled design to one that mounts straight in... I dont know If your buying this kart to compete on a track (???) or just to ride around and have fun, but just be aware that some karttracks dont allow these older style karts to compete anymore.

Yeah that's definitely a 2-stroke engine.
I could be wrong but it kinda looks like a KPV-100 available
here:-->http://www.cometkartsales.com/store/engine/2cycengn.htm

If that older kart still drives/runs good and the frame hasn't been bent, flexed-out or damaged in any way, I think its probably worth somewhere in the $500 to $1000 range.

You'd probably need to buy a kart starter: http://www.out2win.com/catalog/starters.html unless its setup direct-drive so you could push start it...

 

[dinot71]

Full Tilt seems to be a racekart shop in New Jersey, they dont make karts:--> http://www.fulltiltracing.com/

I'm not sure what brand that kart in your pic is, (possibly an Invader) but I can tell its probably older than the year 2000 from the angle the front of the Nerf bar mounts into the frame. After 2000 most all racekart brands changed this angled design to one that mounts straight in... I dont know If your buying this kart to compete on a track (???) or just to ride around and have fun, but just be aware that some karttracks dont allow these older style karts to compete anymore.

Yeah that's definitely a 2-stroke engine.
I could be wrong but it kinda looks like a KPV-100 available
here:-->http://www.cometkartsales.com/store/engine/2cycengn.htm

If that older kart still drives/runs good and the frame hasn't been bent, flexed-out or damaged in any way, I think its probably worth somewhere in the $500 to $1000 range.

You'd probably need to buy a kart starter: http://www.out2win.com/catalog/starters.html unless its setup direct-drive so you could push start it...

Not that I really care but why would they not be allowed to race because of a frame style? I was thinking about buying it for my nephew. How fast do you think this cart can go? I never thought that two stroke carts existed because of the emissions.

 

[dinot71]

Here's a close up of the engine, can anyone identify it? Know the horsepower?

 

[Russ2251]

I believe anderkart got it right. If so, is around 18hp.
A few more pics would help.

 

[dinot71]

I believe anderkart got it right. If so, is around 18hp.
A few more pics would help.

I tried to post another one but it keeps telling me that the upload failed???

 

[anderkart]

Some tracks dont allow those older Nerf bar designs because the angle-mount is a weaker system and they can fold up in a major crash. Somewhere around 2000 most all the racekart manufacturers banded together and conformed to higher "CIK" safety standards. The new Nearf bar design was just one of the safety improvements.

Hers a link to some of the rules: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...gc3bAw&usg=AFQjCNFWicFBMwI2mKYYDD6u8ingI7Np2w

Some tracks dont allow the older designs because in the event of a major injury, they could be sued for not requiring ALL the karts to be as safe as humanly possible...

That kart could probably be geared to go 100mph if you wanted. I'm guessing its geared to do 65 now.

How old's your nephew? That engine is made for highly experienced racers, not kids or beginners.

The EPA hasn't shut down the manufacture of all 2 cycles... yet. But that engine model might be manufactured overseas or 20 years old for all we know.

I can see there's a brand/model cast right into the side of your engine but I cant read it. How about just asking the seller what it is? Then you could simply google-search that model and probably find tons of info from several different sources to research.

 

[dinot71]

Some tracks dont allow those older Nerf bar designs because the angle-mount is a weaker system and they can fold up in a major crash. Somewhere around 2000 most all the racekart manufacturers banded together and conformed to higher "CIK" safety standards. The new Nearf bar design was just one of the safety improvements.

Hers a link to some of the rules: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...gc3bAw&usg=AFQjCNFWicFBMwI2mKYYDD6u8ingI7Np2w

Some tracks dont allow the older designs because in the event of a major injury, they could be sued for not requiring ALL the karts to be as safe as humanly possible...

That kart could probably be geared to go 100mph if you wanted. I'm guessing its geared to do 65 now.

How old's your nephew? That engine is made for highly experienced racers, not kids or beginners.

The EPA hasn't shut down the manufacture of all 2 cycles... yet. But that engine model might be manufactured overseas or 20 years old for all we know.

I can see there's a brand/model cast right into the side of your engine but I cant read it. How about just asking the seller what it is? Then you could simply google-search that model and probably find tons of info from several different sources to research.

You are right, perhaps this one is a bad idea.

 

[dinot71]

My second plan was to buy this cart frame for $100 and then hook up a new motor to it. Are these "clone" motors that I have read about on here any good? They seem to good to be true for the price since the Briggs motors cost about $450. Could someone shed some light on this? I have to make a decision by tomorrow morning. Is there a better part of the forum where I can ask this question?

 

[landuse]

From all the talk that you get on the forum, the Harbour Freight clone motors are value for money. I think the blue clone has been discontinued and replaced with the Predator, but you could probably still get some in some stores. I wouldn't go and buy a $450 engine. That is just way too expensive. 95% of the time the clone motors don't give any problems.

Edit: Have a look on ebay. You will also get some deals there.

 

[dinot71]

From all the talk that you get on the forum, the Harbour Freight clone motors are value for money. I think the blue clone has been discontinued and replaced with the Predator, but you could probably still get some in some stores. I wouldn't go and buy a $450 engine. That is just way too expensive. 95% of the time the clone motors don't give any problems.

Edit: Have a look on ebay. You will also get some deals there.

Please tell me what you think about this one...I just do not know if you need a a specific motor for a cart or will any horizontal shaft 5 hp motor work?


http://www.harborfreight.com/predat...d-for-all-states-except-california-68120.html

 

[landuse]

The motor that you have posted will do just fine on any kart. Pretty much any keyed horizontal shaft motor will do for a kart. Depending on the rider and karts weight, I wouldn't get anything less that a 5HP motor.

5HP will push that kart in your pics nicely

 

[dinot71]

The motor that you have posted will do just fine on any kart. Pretty much any keyed horizontal shaft motor will do for a kart. Depending on the rider and karts weight, I wouldn't get anything less that a 5HP motor.

5HP will push that kart in your pics nicely

I will assume (since I never did the before) that I can buy a clutch/sprocket that will fit this keyed shaft? Can you recommend an online place to buy this stuff from?

 

[landuse]

There are a couple of places

http://www.mfgsupply.com/
http://www.northerntool.com
http://www.gokartsupply.com/clutches.htm
http://www.gokartgalaxy.com/clutches_keys.htm

There must be more, but I can't think of them now

 

[dinot71]

I guess I would have to modify the existing throttle control on the HF engine so that it would work on a go cart. Do you know if there is a how-to on this board for doing this? Right now it has a slider switch with a turtle and a rabbit to control speed. I guess I would have to break the plastic off and sort or rig it to work?

 

[landuse]

These links come from the sticky in the 'FAQ' section

Blue clone throttle hookup
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1183
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1297
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9808
http://www.affordablegokarts.com/throttle-linkage.php
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10085
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3137

Briggs throttle hookup
http://www.gokartsupply.com/img/cabis.gif
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2872
http://www.small-engines.com/5briggs.html

Hope this helps. I am not too sure about the predator engines though. The concept should be the same though

 

[anderkart]

Hey dinot,
I agree with all of Landuse's advice. He posted this thread that has all kinds of helpful info including how to hook the throttle cable up on a clone engine: http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10036

I think that $100 kart you found is a bargain. It looks like a cool vintage racer from the 1960's/70's, and some of those are becoming very collectible/valuable.

I believe these yellow clone engines are the highest quality copy's of the Honda GX200 available:
http://www.arcracing.com/servlet/the-510/Dupor-BSP-Honda-Clone/Detail
You can purchase a gas tank from them, and then you'll find they've also got racing type air cleaners and several header/muffler models available.

But most any brand of 3hp to 6.5hp, 4-cycle industrial type engine should fit and bolt right on that $100 kart.

These clutches are pretty good quality for the price. But you'll have to measure what pitch rear-sprocket is on your kart first, to make sure you order a clutch with a drive-gear that matches.
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/SS1258.html
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/4-457.html

Let us know if your willing to spend more for a higher quality clutch, If you were willing to spend $50 to $100, you could buy one that would work better/last longer...

After you get your kart, simply measured how far apart the tips of the teeth are spaced apart on the rear sprocket, and then let us know and we'll tell you if its a #35 or #40/41 pitch.

Also count/post how many teeth your rear sprocket has, and how tall the karts rear tires are. (this will help us recommend a clutch model to achieve the best overall gear ratio for your kart)

 

[dinot71]

Hey dinot,
I agree with all of Landuse's advice. He posted this thread that has all kinds of helpful info including how to hook the throttle cable up on a clone engine: http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10036

I think that $100 kart you found is a bargain. It looks like a cool vintage racer from the 1960's/70's, and some of those are becoming very collectible/valuable.

I believe these yellow clone engines are the highest quality copy's of the Honda GX200 available:
http://www.arcracing.com/servlet/the-510/Dupor-BSP-Honda-Clone/Detail
You can purchase a gas tank from them, and then you'll find they've also got racing type air cleaners and several header/muffler models available.

But most any brand of 3hp to 6.5hp, 4-cycle industrial type engine should fit and bolt right on that $100 kart.

These clutches are pretty good quality for the price. But you'll have to measure what pitch rear-sprocket is on your kart first, to make sure you order a clutch with a drive-gear that matches.
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/SS1258.html
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/4-457.html

Let us know if your willing to spend more for a higher quality clutch, If you were willing to spend $50 to $100, you could buy one that would work better/last longer...

After you get your kart, simply measured how far apart the tips of the teeth are spaced apart on the rear sprocket, and then let us know and we'll tell you if its a #35 or #40/41 pitch.

Also count/post how many teeth your rear sprocket has, and how tall the karts rear tires are. (this will help us recommend a clutch model to achieve the best overall gear ratio for your kart)

Who knew so much work would go into this I was almost ready to just sell it but I think I may take your advice and buy that clone engine that you recommended. I think I need to also buy a remote fuel tank too, right?...and an air filter? Thanks for your advice, I am going to start sanding down the old paint and prime it to get it ready for paint tomorrow.

 

[anderkart]

Cool, you could probably buy a stock gas tank (that bolts right on your engine) from any of these places:
http://www.arcracing.com/servlet/StoreFront
http://www.nr-racing.com/
http://www.affordablegokarts.com/
Even if they dont list them on their websites, they all probably have them available for $10 or $20.

Or, you could buy a race style fuel tank that mounts to the floor of your kart. You'd just have to install a pulse fuel pump system that'd cost $25 or so. Let us know which way you wanna go and we'll help you out.

I think its safer to have the fuel tank away from the hot engine for safety sake, but lots of karts do just fine with the fuel tank mounted on (or near) the engine.

Here's my karts fuel tank:

That's my round pulse fuel pump bolted onto the top/front of my engine:

Or another option: Quite a few older racekarts like yours had a fuel tank bolted on the back of the seat, and then they just gravity-fed to the carb... You wouldnt have to install a fuel pump this way, and it'd actually be more period-correct for your kart.

Like this kart: