3 speed jackshaft

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depending on one's understanding, one would be easier than the other. take a look a comet's 2 speed auto tranny. you would add a third sprocket to the engine and js. the third gear would have a stiffer spring than second. the ratio of third would allow second to disengage right after third caught. finding the right tension for smooth downshift as well as upshift would be the main concerns. with this in mind, you could run an odd number of gears, chain or belt primary. second and third ride the shaft on regular bearings whereas first would run a one way bearing.
 

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I need a larger tensioner pulley so that the rod it is on doesnt hit the other belts while i tension one.
 

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manual, ok. first gear: little engine, big axle. second: near same size eng./axle. third: eng. same or slightly larger than axle. seems you will need an 'h' arm shifter. the stick will control first and second. but third, would be easier with a short arm off the main, unless you can see a way of running three tensioners off one arm. like in the auto setup, you will need one way bearings on at least first and second from what i am seeing. i'm seeing a different way of doing with one stick, but it involves fore/aft and sideways pivoting, with the pivot above the belts and having three short arms for tensioning.
 

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mike wouldent the three speed jack shaft need a free-wheel sprocket mounted on the 2nd gear clutch to function properly, or did i miss something, lol. ive bean thinking about making a 4 or 5 speed jack shaft for a while now.
 

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you could use a bicycle style free wheel sprocket, if you could find one strong enough. the way traxxas ( and i think comet) makes theirs is, sort of like the recoil starters in our engines. when the rpm get high enough a pawl flicks out and grabs. just like a clutch. unlike most clutches, when the rpm gets high enough, the other gear locks in unlocking the previous gear. when rpm slows enough, the spring on the pawl pulls the pawl back, thus reverting to the lower gear ratio. the problem you may have with a standard free wheel is, if the pawls don't retract. there are what, three to four pawls for most FWs? in the traxxas setup, there is one. in a recoil starter there are one, two and three depending on manufacturer. the standard FWs are pretty wide as well. meaning that you couldn't run them right on the wheel hub if you wanted. with the length involved, you would almost certainly need a js, and a bearinged bracket to stabilize that end of the js. if using ten speed or higher sprockets, the tranny might be able to only add six inches to the width of the engine. you would need, preferably, three multisprocket (hyphen busted) FWs, deciding which gear you would want to keep. you would need a piece of tubing threaded for the FW assemblies and keyed for your js. engine side would need a sprocket stack from at least an 18 speed. spacing these to where they have enough strength will be the difficult part. you may be able to use a mower's blade holder to attach the sprockets, maybe not. it will be considerable work.
 

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like i said its just another thing im thinking of doing (i tjink of lots of stuff, but never have the time/funds to do them =(
 

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one of my latest ideas (restrain your self this is more random than shopping cart go kart)came when my grand parents had an old fridge they wanted to throw away, one of the ones with freezer over fridge, so i thought i could cut top half of fridge door off sit there waist coming through top half of fridge, then make vents in freezer and put engine there, id prob have to make steel frame too, i was thinking 110cc manual 4 sped would be a cool engine, lol. prob not gonna happen unless i happen to get several hundred bucks for no reason
 

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kinda crazy, no doubt. top speed would be, 35? stopping would be a punk. hut, in which way are you thinking of locking the shifter so it stays in gear? like a lawn tractor where the shifter sits on a ledge?
 

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i thought of an idea for a lever that locks into place when you pull it back then unlicks when nudged to the side, it could be easily adapted to work in both directions, but i dont think it could handle three positions, i have thought on another idea for a shifter lever that can handle up to six speeds, but its complicated.
 

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pictures are here...





 

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looks really nice but couldnt that idler pulley pull the belt off cuz of that lip thats on it?
 
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