Gy6 to 212cc buggy

[Sergio30519]

Trying to put a 212cc on this buggy. Any suggestions

 

[ECaseyP]

I don't see why one wouldn't fit. You'll want to get an engine, engine mounting plate, torque converter and a reverse gear box; among other parts. Go Powersports should be able to help with the conversion. It won't be cheap, but it can be done. Also, knowing a little bit about fabrication might help.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Denny]

I would consider a 420 and 40 series CVT. That’s a heavy buggy you’ll need the torque.

 

[Edwin Spangler]

I have a similar kart. You either need to flip the axle and relocate the rear brake caliper or come up with a jackshaft setup.

I went with a 420 rather than the 212 and Im glad I did. The 420 is barely enough and a week after the install I already had a plan to upgrade most of the internals.

I also had to extend the swing arm about 10" to fit the 420.

 

[Sergio30519]

I have a similar kart. You either need to flip the axle and relocate the rear brake caliper or come up with a jackshaft setup.

I went with a 420 rather than the 212 and Im glad I did. The 420 is barely enough and a week after the install I already had a plan to upgrade most of the internals.

I also had to extend the swing arm about 10" to fit the 420.

I’m going to pay someone to weld the caliper and plate. I was planing to put the 212cc once I save some money getting the 420. So what you are saying I would have to extend the swing arm. Can in still use the 212cc with the extended swing arm.

 

[Sergio30519]

I don't see why one wouldn't fit. You'll want to get an engine, engine mounting plate, torque converter and a reverse gear box; among other parts. Go Powersports should be able to help with the conversion. It won't be cheap, but it can be done. Also, knowing a little bit about fabrication might help.

Good luck and keep us posted.

I have a similar kart. You either need to flip the axle and relocate the rear brake caliper or come up with a jackshaft setup.

I went with a 420 rather than the 212 and Im glad I did. The 420 is barely enough and a week after the install I already had a plan to upgrade most of the internals.

I also had to extend the swing arm about 10" to fit the 420.

Would you know any decent first gearbox I could buy an Amazon reason being is a I have gift card

 

[Edwin Spangler]

I’m going to pay someone to weld the caliper and plate. I was planing to put the 212cc once I save some money getting the 420. So what you are saying I would have to extend the swing arm. Can in still use the 212cc with the extended swing arm.

Ive seen it done without extending it, but they always have to mount the engine up high or one instance of someone removing the rear suspension.

The prior owner had a 212 on it and it fit fine. -And another thing, plenty of people have put 212s on these Chinese buggies and been perfectly happy with the power. I grew up with Oddeseys, snowmobiles, big CC dirtbikes and 4-wheelers. Got to play with some really crazy 3-wheelers for a while. While extremely fortunate, it kinda spoiled having fun in anything that isnt dangerous.

Anyway, theres no reason why you couldnt use the 212 with an extended swing arm. No matter what its mounted to, youll have to change it when you change the engine (if going from small block to big block) unless you get a mount that can mount both engines while keeping the driveshaft inline with the axle sprocket. Also, some mounts can mount both engines but NOT line up the sprockets. Mine is one of those.

 

[Edwin Spangler]

Would you know any decent first gearbox I could buy an Amazon reason being is a I have gift card

On Amazon? Any generic FNR gearbox will work. I have no idea about the quality of them. -But something else to consider, youll be changing the gearbox when you change the engine. You cant use a smaller (2-13hp capable) FNR with a 40 series TQ without a ton of modification that would ultimately be pointless as the smaller gearbox cant handle the power.

As for the larger (9-18hp capable) FNR gearbox, there are no good reviews on them. Only videos of some guy who installs one and says hell report back... -But never does.

Remember, most of the FNR gearboxes have a built in gear reduction system. I think its that way so they can use a smaller axle sprocket on their pre-builts.

 

[Hellion]

You're going to have to do a lot of fab work to shoe-horn a comparatively wimpy Predator engine into that buggy, plus the CVT, plus the gearbox when the buggy was designed around the 150cc engine/gearbox combination from the get-go. The 420 engine is a lot taller meaning, if you don't remove the fuel tank and factory carb and muffler, you will lose suspension travel in the rear. Still might lose suspension travel -- go ahead and remove the silly cargo rack in the rear while you're at it....

I think this is a Carbide 150cc:



The 212cc is a great engine, it is just ideal for a more minimalist application, a basic frame go kart (like our "forum mascot" at the top of the page) or mini-bike where these engines will really rip.

How fast do you want to go?
Will two people be riding in the kart?

I bet there's a ton of videos on YT on doing a Predator swap.....

 

[Edwin Spangler]

Lol I went through all the trouble I did with mine, just to keep that stupid rack! Ive probably hit my head on it a hundred times by now.

 

[Sergio30519]

You're going to have to do a lot of fab work to shoe-horn a comparatively wimpy Predator engine into that buggy, plus the CVT, plus the gearbox when the buggy was designed around the 150cc engine/gearbox combination from the get-go. The 420 engine is a lot taller meaning, if you don't remove the fuel tank and factory carb and muffler, you will lose suspension travel in the rear. Still might lose suspension travel -- go ahead and remove the silly cargo rack in the rear while you're at it....

I think this is a Carbide 150cc:

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The 212cc is a great engine, it is just ideal for a more minimalist application, a basic frame go kart (like our "forum mascot" at the top of the page) or mini-bike where these engines will really rip.

How fast do you want to go?
Will two people be riding in the kart?

I bet there's a ton of videos on YT on doing a Predator swap.....

It’s for me and my daughter she 8. Honestly if I am do at least 25 to 30mph I’m good. Would I be able to use the exiting gas tank that came with the buggy on the 420 or 212

 

[Hellion]

It’s for me and my daughter she 8. Honestly if I am do at least 25 to 30mph I’m good. Would I be able to use the exiting gas tank that came with the buggy on the 420 or 212

I think so yes, especially if it is a gravity feed fuel tank. I am just not completely acquainted with your particular buggy. You had more photos on your introductory thread but they're over there and not here.

This buggy-kart is heavy yes but I don't know how big it really is. Some are adult sized and some are kiddie sized (keeping in mind that the overall concept of the go kart was to have the smallest possible "racing car" while still being able to be operated by a 6 foot adult male).

Most people coming here want the fastest, most powerful vehicle they can possibly build, so your recent statement comes as a bit of a shock. I'd give this thread some time to germinate -- most people are at work at this time.

 

[Sergio30519]

I think so yes, especially if it is a gravity feed fuel tank. I am just not completely acquainted with your particular buggy. You had more photos on your introductory thread but they're over there and not here.

This buggy-kart is heavy yes but I don't know how big it really is. Some are adult sized and some are kiddie sized (keeping in mind that the overall concept of the go kart was to have the smallest possible "racing car" while still being able to be operated by a 6 foot adult male).

Most people coming here want the fastest, most powerful vehicle they can possibly build, so your recent statement comes as a bit of a shock. I'd give this thread some time to germinate -- most people are at work at this time.

Thanks for all your info. Eventually i will probably want more speed. Once I buy a smaller one for my daughter, but I’ll probably keep this one for myself.

 

[ezcome-ezgo]

That swing arm looks twisted. Might create chain alignment problems no matter which direction you go engine-wise.

 

[Sergio30519]

It’s actually the mount for the gy6 engine is missing a bolt I’m about to cut it off

 

[Denny]

Go 420 and 40 series now to avoid having to make 2 totally different setups.

 

[Sergio30519]

Go 420 and 40 series now to avoid having to make 2 totally different setups.

So 420 40 series and take off the rack I was trying to use the fuel tank the buggy came with but I could scratch that out

 

[Whitetrashrocker]

Use the rack just move it up the frame a bit. No? Make a new rack?

 

[Hellion]

Use the rack just move it up the frame a bit. No? Make a new rack?

Keep the rack! Where will he put his groceries?

 

[Sergio30519]

Use the rack just move it up the frame a bit. No? Make a new rack?

The gas tank goes mounted to the rack.