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I’ve got a Manco 415-00 with a 5Hp Briggs and Stratton 136212 and it was rather quick when I ran it ungoverned but now that I have it all set up correctly it’s unbelievably slow. Like too slow. How can I adjust the governor to allow for more throttle?
 

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I’ve got a Manco 415-00 with a 5Hp Briggs and Stratton 136212 and it was rather quick when I ran it ungoverned but now that I have it all set up correctly it’s unbelievably slow. Like too slow. How can I adjust the governor to allow for more throttle?
that’s it I’m thinking... I have an 8hp and when I first set it up I kept it governed. and even after messing with the gov rod/linkage it was laughable.
 

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Sorry, I just have to jump in here.....It is true that too high an RPM can blow chinese parts ( flywheel etc.) but, and I mean But that ain't the whole story. Billett rods and flywheels are too damn expensive, so if you can't afford them, how do you balance that with safety. On My arachnid I have a HF 420...... removed oil sensor and all governor parts.......added heavy valve springs, ,champion rockers arms, chrome moly push rods, mod 2 twister camshaft. All those items add some RPM,,,,,,heres my but.......But I keep them in a safe RPM range by using a jetted STOCK Carburetor.
No Mikuni.......so I have more power , more torque, but the stock carb limits the available rpm...........ergo I may not have the fastest top end, but since I built this thing for off-road , I have grunt, and since I don't expect to race,,,,,high RPM is not my goal.......

Expensive billet rods and alum flywheels are only necessary if you PLAN on screaming the motor ! my 03 cents worth
something to think about.........................PLEASE DON'T FORCE THE NEW GUYS AWAY FROM THIS FUN WITH $$$$$$$$ NECESITIES.

Da redflash
 

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Sorry, I just have to jump in here.....It is true that too high an RPM can blow chinese parts ( flywheel etc.) but, and I mean But that ain't the whole story. Billett rods and flywheels are too damn expensive, so if you can't afford them, how do you balance that with safety. On My arachnid I have a HF 420...... removed oil sensor and all governor parts.......added heavy valve springs, ,champion rockers arms, chrome moly push rods, mod 2 twister camshaft. All those items add some RPM,,,,,,heres my but.......But I keep them in a safe RPM range by using a jetted STOCK Carburetor.
No Mikuni.......so I have more power , more torque, but the stock carb limits the available rpm...........ergo I may not have the fastest top end, but since I built this thing for off-road , I have grunt, and since I don't expect to race,,,,,high RPM is not my goal.......

Expensive billet rods and alum flywheels are only necessary if you PLAN on screaming the motor ! my 03 cents worth
something to think about.........................PLEASE DON'T FORCE THE NEW GUYS AWAY FROM THIS FUN WITH $$$$$$$$ NECESITIES.

Da redflash
I've never thought about that, very cool.
 

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Damn. So it looks like a governor bypass with upgraded parts?
if you have spare cash get a predator. Or build a flatty.. if you go with a flatly weld your own camshaft or buy one from the forum. If you go with the predator I think it’s like a $190 kit with cam and EVERYTHING else.
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Sorry, I just have to jump in here.....It is true that too high an RPM can blow chinese parts ( flywheel etc.) but, and I mean But that ain't the whole story. Billett rods and flywheels are too damn expensive, so if you can't afford them, how do you balance that with safety. On My arachnid I have a HF 420...... removed oil sensor and all governor parts.......added heavy valve springs, ,champion rockers arms, chrome moly push rods, mod 2 twister camshaft. All those items add some RPM,,,,,,heres my but.......But I keep them in a safe RPM range by using a jetted STOCK Carburetor.
No Mikuni.......so I have more power , more torque, but the stock carb limits the available rpm...........ergo I may not have the fastest top end, but since I built this thing for off-road , I have grunt, and since I don't expect to race,,,,,high RPM is not my goal.......

Expensive billet rods and alum flywheels are only necessary if you PLAN on screaming the motor ! my 03 cents worth
something to think about.........................PLEASE DON'T FORCE THE NEW GUYS AWAY FROM THIS FUN WITH $$$$$$$$ NECESITIES.

Da redflash
I've been running it for some time completely ungoverned with absolutely no upgraded parts. I'm kinda just waiting for it to blow as it only makes 60psi compression, and I figure the cylinder is all worn out. Don't really see a point in spending money on it if it's making low compression.
 

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The compression release would put compression right at 60psi for starting. So it doesn’t snap the pullrope back.
I've been running it for some time completely ungoverned with absolutely no upgraded parts. I'm kinda just waiting for it to blow as it only makes 60psi compression, and I figure the cylinder is all worn out. Don't really see a point in spending money on it if it's making low compression.
 

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Wait are you saying it's supposed to make 60 when I pull the rope?
Yes with a compression tester installed pulling the rope the engine will make 60psi.. once it is actually running that compression release “moves out of the way” and your engine has normal compression for running.
 

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Yes with a compression tester installed pulling the rope the engine will make 60psi.. once it is actually running that compression release “moves out of the way” and your engine has normal compression for running.
Well damn, maybe I shouldn't blow it up then. Where would this compression release be? It is an ancient briggs
 

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Well damn, maybe I shouldn't blow it up then. Where would this compression release be? It is an ancient briggs.
Compression releases are usually on the camshaft. If it has one you can normally spin it up fast enough to disengage it. Though if i remember correctly these B&S flatties have no compression release, just low compression.
 

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Well damn, maybe I shouldn't blow it up then. Where would this compression release be? It is an ancient briggs
Yupp it would be a small third lobe directly on the base circle of the camshaft. Even when the engine is running the compression release bump is bleeding a small amount of compression off. people say to file the bump off and it will improve idle. But you have to follow a certain procedure for starting so the cord doesn’t rip out of your hand. Modern engine compression releases move out of the way.. any engines with the compression release lobe on the cam bleed compression to some extent when running at any rpm..
 

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Compression releases are usually on the camshaft. If it has one you can normally spin it up fast enough to disengage it. Though if i remember correctly these B&S flatties have no compression release, just low compression.
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Here's a pic of my cam. While I have you guys here, is it worth it to replace 28 year old rings on an equally old engine? I know the rings are probably super worn, but I figure the cylinder is also really worn out so I just figured I wouldn't really get much more compression out of replacing rings.
 

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Here's a pic of my cam. While I have you guys here, is it worth it to replace 28 year old rings on an equally old engine? I know the rings are probably super worn, but I figure the cylinder is also really worn out so I just figured I wouldn't really get much more compression out of replacing rings.
That cam looks perfect and there is nothing that needs done. If your looking for any easy bolt on compression you would be going to eBay or I believe Dynocams/arc and buy a copper head gasket that is thinner then the super super thick stock ones. Do not file of the compression release bump off! Instead roll the engine over until the piston is 1/4 down in the bore after tdc compression stroke and check the valve lash. Almost always zero gap on The one valve. a 6though feeler gauge will always fit snug for the intake valve gap. When you try to Check the exhaust at 9thou it just will not fit. I’ve seen them at a snug 2thou makes them start like garbage if the valves are not set to 6int 9exh
 

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That cam looks perfect and there is nothing that needs done. If your looking for any easy bolt on compression you would be going to eBay or I believe Dynocams/arc and buy a copper head gasket that is thinner then the super super thick stock ones. Do not file of the compression release bump off! Instead roll the engine over until the piston is 1/4 down in the bore after tdc compression stroke and check the valve lash. Almost always zero gap on The one valve. a 6though feeler gauge will always fit snug for the intake valve gap. When you try to Check the exhaust at 9thou it just will not fit. I’ve seen them at a snug 2thou makes them start like garbage if the valves are not set to 6int 9exh
I just bought a copper gasket, thanks for the tip.
 
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