Yamaha 125cc. Running on Aviation fuel????

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A friend just picked up a kart. It came with 3 yamaha 125 engines. The one on the kart, buddy said it takes mixed fuel and oil. But he said it runs on Aviation fuel (air craft).

My question is what is making this engine require this type of fuel and can we just put normal gas and oil???
What would happen??
 

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Av Gas is low lead fuel, low lead is not. You can by higher octane fuel, but if you don't higher compression ratio to go with it . There not be a benefit to running/burning higher octane fuels. There is lots of on line info about octane / compression ratio's .
 

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is there still fuel in it by chance ?

Also av or race gas fuel burns cleaner. most of the kart racer guys do use 110 octane or something close to it. It runs cleaner and is easier to tune because its more consistent on the additives. Not to mention it runs cooler and you can advance the timing for a more power increase without it pinging.
 

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AV fuel is just a higher octane fuel. The main 'reason' that a more volatile fuel is used, is due to the air compression ratio at the head(where all the air/fuel is compressed). If the fuel isnt volatile enough the engine will 'not' run/turnover... in other words... try putting alil 87-89 octane fuel in the tank(about 1-2 cups tops). See if she'll turn over/run... if not... drain the fuel and put the AV fuel back in.

The dangers of running AV fuel in a motor that runs 87-93 octane is probable valve burnage... to throwing a rod. There are no dangers in running 87-93 fuel in a motor 'needing' the 110+ octane(mainly cause it wont run/start).
 

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AV fuel is just a higher octane fuel. The main 'reason' that a more volatile fuel is used, is due to the air compression ratio at the head(where all the air/fuel is compressed). If the fuel isnt volatile enough the engine will 'not' run/turnover... in other words... try putting alil 87-89 octane fuel in the tank(about 1-2 cups tops). See if she'll turn over/run... if not... drain the fuel and put the AV fuel back in.

The dangers of running AV fuel in a motor that runs 87-93 octane is probable valve burnage... to throwing a rod. There are no dangers in running 87-93 fuel in a motor 'needing' the 110+ octane(mainly cause it wont run/start).

I disagree. ...high octane fuel is less volatile. ....As Joe-405 mentioned. ..the use of high octane fuel. ...reduces pinging and is necessary to prevent pinging....more correctly described as pre-ignition. ....meaning the fuel "lights off"....or is too volatile.

High octane fuel is harder to ignite and burns slower.... (mainly just burns slower)..... The best analogy I can make is gunpowder. ....black powder will flash off in a blinding poof......smokeless powder will fizzle by comparison. ..burning much more slowly. ...but the slow burn allows more pressure to build in the barrel.....making smokeless cartridges much more powerful than black powder ones. ....

The same thing happens in the engine cylinder on the combustion stroke.....
 

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Av gas from my memory 100 octane hi lead is green 100 octane lo lead is blue mix them and color goes away. Has more additives than you can imagine because planes are at closer to 100% engine load and detonation would be fatal. You will have to still mix 2 cycle oil no matter what. Gas stations near racetracks sometimes sell race fuel but be careful with Av gas because you think auto gas is volatile Av gas is the bomb. Try a tank of hi octane auto gas and listen for any detonation if so try some octane booster from parts store. The key to not destroying your motor is to lower cylinder head temp by liquid cooling, ram air cooling over head or bigger radiant cooling fins on head possible aftermarket options for your motor?
 

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Hi octane fuel doesn't make more power just by itself, it just allows you to run a bigger cam and increase the timing to make more power. The only way it would remotely make more power is if your engine pings on regular gas, which may reduce engine power slightly but most definitely cause engine damage if it happens long enough.
 

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100LL is pronounced "one hundred low lead". It contains about one-half the TEL allowed in 100/130 (green), though the amount is about 4 times what was in pre-1975 leaded automotive grade gasoline.[citation needed]

Many Continental and Lycoming light airplane engines designed for 80/87 remain in production. Engines designed for 80/87 and not for 100LL might have lead buildup and lead fouling of the spark plugs if 100LL is used.[citation needed]

Some of the lower-powered (100–150 horsepower or 75–112 kilowatts) aviation engines that were developed in the late 1990s are designed to run on unleaded fuel and on 100LL, an example being the Rotax 912.[14]
 

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Using high octane fuel in a low compression engine is waste of energy. The combustion process becomes too late because a low compression engine cannot utilize the high octane fuels energy because it is not compressing the air fuel mixture enough and the peak pressure wave of the combustion process becomes too late so think of it this way,The greatest mechanical advantage of a crankshaft is 90 degrees A.T.D.C. and if the peak pressure wave is too late so will the force being applied to the crankshaft and you can only advance the timing so much because the engine will lose top end to try to get the peak pressure wave to arrive near the 90 degrees A.T.D.C. so think of a Diesel engine and the fuel it uses you would have a hard time lighting it off with a match because of it's octane rating being so high but inject it in a super high compression engine and the BTU rating far exceeds a gasoline engine. Using too high of an octane rating on a low compression engine the engine will tend to go flat on the top end.On a two stroke engine the compression ratio should be measured after the piston closes the exhaust port not at B.D.C. the trick is to experiment and find the lowest octane the engine will run on without detonation and still pull hard on the top end and not flatten out there are many factors involved,rod length,combustion chamber shape,air fuel mixture,oil ratio,compression ratio,altitude,ambient air temperature,etc.So a real good way to think about the greatest mechanical advantage in relation to a engines crankshaft is to think about pedaling a bicycle and one can see that the greatest force on the pedal crank is 90 degrees after top dead center.This is the same for the crankshaft of a engine we want the peak pressure wave of the combustion to arrive as close as we can get to 90 degrees A.T.D.C.
 
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