ML-TOYS
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They try and put chains on the front tires........
Bwa ha ha ha. Glad i was out here to see it.
Bwa ha ha ha. Glad i was out here to see it.
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jamyers
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I NEEDED the laugh!!!mckutzy
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Sadly Im not too surprised, most cars these days are fwd. I could see buddy just had a brain fart and put them there, didnt think about it being pissed about the mess up on the road.
crazzywolfie
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did you see the rear tires spinning? only reason i ask is apparently dodge is bringing back their ram van and it is front wheel drive. they use to be RWD.
ML-TOYS
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yes its a rear wheel drive
Doc Sprocket
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No excuses. If it's THAT sloppy outside, you can't HELP but know which wheels are your drive wheels.
Dude get fired from Burger King?
Dude get fired from Burger King?
devino246
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He's obviously installing them on the front in the pic, but did he previously (or go on to) install them on the rear also? It really gets me when all people think about in snow is traction to get going. Traction to turn and stop is exponentially more important.
ML-TOYS
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after someone stopped and said something he put them on the rear
Doc Sprocket
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While true (to a certain degree) how many of us have ever seen chains installed on all four wheels of a road-going vehicle?
You really could run the argument both ways. Steering is nice, but if you have no traction in the rear (assuming drive wheels), you're left making snow angels with the front tires. In an RWD vehicle, the key to steering traction in the front is to allow those front wheels to freewheel... Which brings me to-
ABS- Whenever I see an older vehicle featuring RABS, I laugh. What a dead stupid idea. You're in the slick, you need to steer. You pin the brakes, actuating the RABS. Great. The fronts lock up- now you can't steer... duh...
devino246
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I wouldn't know. You'd get lots of weird looks around here with tire chains. Even when we do get snow, the chains would be worn to nothing within a few miles
Doc Sprocket
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That's okay. They are illegal in Ontario!
Funny bit- Call me crazy, or old-school, or whatever- I still prefer RWD over FWD. I am a master of rear drive. I F'ing HATE driving front drive vehicles, ESPECIALLY in the snow!
Funny bit- Call me crazy, or old-school, or whatever- I still prefer RWD over FWD. I am a master of rear drive. I F'ing HATE driving front drive vehicles, ESPECIALLY in the snow!
souperman000
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I have always heard that fwd cars are better for snow because they pull insted of try to push you out of the snow.
machinist@large
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I used to own a truck with RABS; the only reason it came with it was because I ordered the payload package when I ordered the truck. The base trucks didn't have ABS yet; the following model year, 4 wheel ABS was standard across the board.When I asked the mechanics at the dealership why I had to put up with exactly the behaviour you described, they said it was because they had had so many problems with the old load proportioning valve setup they had run previously.
I've since seen a truck with the old system; I can also see why the factory went with RABS as a stopgap while they were developing the 4 wheel technology (doesn't mean I liked it, just that I can understand it).
The old system consisted of a rotary valve mounted on the frame rail, with a linkage attached to the rear axle; the more you loaded the truck, the lower it sat compared to the axle, thereby opening the valve to let more brake fluid signal get to the rear brakes. Two problems; 1] if you panic stopped with a load, as weight was transferred forward, it unloaded the valve, putting all the braking load on the front (just like RABS in the snow), and 2] the valve cycled with every twitch of the suspension, leading to a lot of wear & tear,eventually causing it to fail with the resultant loss of brakes.
Just though I would help clarify why some older vehicles had such a bizarre braking system in the first place.......
Doc Sprocket
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Thank you for that. It still sucks. LOL
I have owned vehicles with those mechanical proportioning valves- like my old '84 Toyota pickup. Yeah. Good old technology. Can't we just dial the dam bias to "ideal under most expected operating conditions" and leave it there?
Not a big fan of certain technologies anyways. For work, I used to drive a 2001 Chev Express 2500 van. I had a lot of weight in there. When the weather got sloppy, the ABS (4 wheel) made my life worse. I ended up tossing the fuse. Yes, I know how to drive thank you. My braking improved with the fuse OUT!
The biggest problem with such technologies is that it renders drivers brainless. When the system(s) malfunction, today's drivers are screwed. Using ABS as an example- Drivers are taught to just pin the pedal in a panic stop- the ABS does the rest. What happens when the ABS computer is on coffee break? Driver nails pedal, all 4's lock up, driver plows into first available object. Good stuff.
I have owned vehicles with those mechanical proportioning valves- like my old '84 Toyota pickup. Yeah. Good old technology. Can't we just dial the dam bias to "ideal under most expected operating conditions" and leave it there?
Not a big fan of certain technologies anyways. For work, I used to drive a 2001 Chev Express 2500 van. I had a lot of weight in there. When the weather got sloppy, the ABS (4 wheel) made my life worse. I ended up tossing the fuse. Yes, I know how to drive thank you. My braking improved with the fuse OUT!
The biggest problem with such technologies is that it renders drivers brainless. When the system(s) malfunction, today's drivers are screwed. Using ABS as an example- Drivers are taught to just pin the pedal in a panic stop- the ABS does the rest. What happens when the ABS computer is on coffee break? Driver nails pedal, all 4's lock up, driver plows into first available object. Good stuff.
machinist@large
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I agree with you across the board!!!! Being the holder of a class B CDL (Commercial Drivers Licence) as well as having spent over 250,000 miles behind the wheel of (2) different E-250 Ford cargo vans that had a lot of weight in them, well, you could say that I've learned to be a pretty defensive driver ( I'm not leaving that 4 to 5 second gap between myself and the next vehicle for my personal safety; it's there so some 
can pass me on the left, slam on the brakes and cut me off so they can try to get off on the exit ramp that we are almost beyond).For the record, my last van actually did leave the factory with 4 wheel ABS; it's just that the first owners were to cheap to buy the correct replacement rotors with the tone rings when the first set wore out, thereby turning it into a RABS vehicle; it really didn't make much difference when the ABS totally died (both of them were POS's when I got handed them for my job; they both had over 160,000 miles when I got handed them).
B.M.800
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It surprising how well our neon handles our driveway in the snow.
I know this thread is dead, but I have to state my opinion.
I cant drive FWD, Auto, or with computers controlling how I drive. When learn ,to drive with a standard, no ABS,no TRAC control, and a underpowered truck, you learn or ya wreck, in my case it was learn. All the new computer BS ruins the whole driving experience for me. I hate computers.
I cant drive FWD, Auto, or with computers controlling how I drive. When learn ,to drive with a standard, no ABS,no TRAC control, and a underpowered truck, you learn or ya wreck, in my case it was learn. All the new computer BS ruins the whole driving experience for me. I hate computers.
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