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To each their own I guess... A lot of BMX racers run carbon fiber frames and forks, and they hold up well considering the 20ft doubles they take. The failure rate isn't really any higher than their aluminum or chromo counterparts, but the failure is more catastrophic when it does happen. Think all out splintering and breaking in two instead of a broken weld or two.
Technically carbon fiber is many times stronger than steel. That doesn't mean you'd catch me running it on my kart or my bike. I prefer peace of mind over a little weight savings.
 

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Sorry newrider, this is not aimed at you specifically, but it's a real pet-peeve of mine when people say carbon fiber, aluminum, titanium, etc. is "stronger than steel"... That statement must be qualified with "pound-for-pound" somewhere. In the vast majority of cases a good steel is FAR stronger than other materials in a "size-for-size" comparison. For example a steel axle weighs in at (guessing) 9 lbs and is 3/4"x36"; if you had a 3/4"x36" aluminum axle it would likely weigh in around 3lbs, problem is with identical dimensions a the 3lb aluminum axle is much weaker...You'd have to step up to something like a 1"x36" aluminum axle at 5.8lbs to make it equal the strength of the steel axle. Sure it's equal strength and lighter weight, but it is also much larger (almost double the volume of space occupied). You don't have to look any farther than aluminum vs steel connecting rods to see how "exotic" materials usually have to be MUCH larger than their steel counterparts to achieve the same strength. Carbon fiber has impressive tensile strength, but it's compressive strength is nothing to write home about, and newrider is spot-on about the failure...When carbon fiber fails it basically becomes a giant wad of kitty-hair, when other materials fail they usually maintain their structural integrity except right at the failure-point.

I would like to reiterate, this is not a flame newrider post. this is me dispersing my knowledge for everyone's consumption.
 

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Good point Linksep, I'd never heard about these types of axles before but evidently Buller karts has offered these since at least 2003. They only seem to be offered in the narrower widths and diameters that Oval race karts usually run and many tracks have seemed to of outlawed their use but I'm still not sure why. (possibly their high cost) Their strength seems to be rated somewhere between Steel and Titanium axles but I'm not so sure if this technology would be doable in building a whole frame. I found several posts about these axles searching over on bobs4cycle forums.
 
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