What chain size is this sprocket?

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I already bought a #35 clutch and chain for my go kart but didn't bother checking the sprocket on the axle... the chain is too small for it.

Now I am wondering if I should buy a new sprocket, or just buy the correct size clutch/chain.

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Ummmm......jeeze...who'd a thunk we'd ever say pics don't help????? But you really need to measure.....to make sure....top of tooth to top of tooth....and how thick.....probably a 40 or 41.....

My guess....40.....
 

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Thank you. I am just going to buy a new sprocket then. It seems that there are no whole sprockets for 60 teeth and #35 chain.

Just bought a split one and hope it works...
 

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Thank you. I am just going to buy a new sprocket then. It seems that there are no whole sprockets for 60 teeth and #35 chain.

Just bought a split one and hope it works...

Stop right there!

you need a 72T sprocket for #35 chain!

chances are you had a 10T clutch originally, thus you ran a 6:1 ratio with a 60T axle sprocket..

Now you have a 12T clutch to keep the ratio you had (6:1) you need 72 Teeth on the axle.

And you cannot just gear higher (that'd be 5:1) without either loosing a lot of low end power or in worst case ruin the clutch in an instant.

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Stop right there!

you need a 72T sprocket for #35 chain!

chances are you had a 10T clutch originally, thus you ran a 6:1 ratio with a 60T axle sprocket..

Now you have a 12T clutch to keep the ratio you had (6:1) you need 72 Teeth on the axle.

And you cannot just gear higher (that'd be 5:1) without either loosing a lot of low end power or in worst case ruin the clutch in an instant.

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Is a 5:1 ratio really that bad? I wanted it to have a faster top end speed. I was told that 5:1 is the minimum gear ratio but still okay.
 

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You can use a #40 or #41 clutch and a #40 or #41 chain. Both of these sizes are compatible with each other. My current cart has a #41 clutch and i am running #40 chain. Did this because it was cheaper. Hope this helps.
 

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That's not entirely true: Yes, #40 & #41 chain are the same pitch but, they're not the same width; #40 is 5/16" wide but #41 is only 1/4" wide so, #40 chain will fit a #41 sprocket but #41 chain will NOT fit a #40 sprocket
 

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Is a 5:1 ratio really that bad? I wanted it to have a faster top end speed. I was told that 5:1 is the minimum gear ratio but still okay.

IMO the above statement, of ratio, is only true if the karts total weight (rider included) is less than < 300-350lbs... running >6+hp... on 10-11" wheels... and on flat, level surfaces...

W/ a stock HF212, GX200, 6.5 clone (and the above specs) the speed difference between 6:1 and 5:1 is only 4-5mph... but the major difference is the life span of the CClutch... and how many times you want to buy a new one. Yes 5:1 is 'safe' for the above specs given... but still a 'strain' on it. Life spans vary by abuse (low RPM's/poor gearing) and neglect (lube) amounts... so theres no 'set' of time span to calculate/guesstimate an avg length of time per gearing.

... ofcourse a TC would solve 'this' issue of gearing.:cornut:
 

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Is a 5:1 ratio really that bad? I wanted it to have a faster top end speed. I was told that 5:1 is the minimum gear ratio but still okay.

well, someone might have told you that ;)

in fact in some circumstances (as Tihm pointed out) a 5:1 ratio is perfectly okay...

In MOST it's NOT!

Here's Hilliards calculator for example:
hilliard-recommendation.jpg

AS you can see, a 9HP engine on small wheels.. and it's STILL complaining....

And so would mine...
KartInfo by kartcalc.net:
Code:
[FONT="Verdana"]
[B][U]KART[/U][/B]
[INDENT][I]RW diameter[/I]: [B] 27.94 cm | 11 in[/B]
[I]Total weight[/I]: [B] 150 kg | 330.69 lbs[/B]
[/INDENT]
[B][U]ENGINE[/U][/B]
[INDENT][I]Original HP[/I]: [B] 9[/B]
[I]Asummed HP[/I]: [B] ~9[/B]
[I]Torque[/I]: [B] 17.8 Nm | 13.13 ft lbf[/B]
[I]RPM[/I]: [B] 3600[/B]
[/INDENT]
[B][U]TRANSMISSION[/U][/B]
[INDENT][I]Final ratio[/I]: [B] 5:1[/B]
[/INDENT]
[B][U]PERFORMANCE[/U][/B]
[INDENT][I]Max Wheel Torque[/I]: [B] 89 Nm | 65.64 ft lbf[/B]
[I]Acceleration[/I]: [B] 4.25 m/s² | 13.94 ft/s²[/B]
[I]Top Speed[/I]: [B] 37.92 km/h | 23.56 mph[/B]
[/INDENT]
[B][U]PROBLEMS[/U][/B]
[INDENT]
[B]You might burn your clutch/belt![/B]
[B]Gear ratio too high![/B]
[I]Suggested final ratio[/I]: [B] at least 5.6:1[/B]
[/INDENT]
[/FONT]

Again, 9HP, small wheels, and with 150kg not exactly heavy either.
mine stops complaining at 121 kg (266.76 lbs) with a 9hp engine.
A weight that'd still require a 5.9:1 ratio with a 6.5HP engine (your average 212 predator)

to run 5:1 with 11" wheels and a 6.5 engine the kart -with you in- it mustn't weigh more than 87kg (192 lbs)

and that's a lightweight kart and a kid....

So.. yeah.. I still go with "YES" that ratio is at least not exactly good ;)

'sid
 
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