Anyone have any experience with vintage racing karts? I have a possible opportunity to acquire an old laydown kart with what looks like twin KT100 motors on it. Anything I should look for in particular when I'm viewing it? Any idea of the possible value of such a kart? From what I read, this thing should easily be capable of hitting over 100mph. Scary, but oh, so fun!
Twin motor kart
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Kenny_McCormic
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Twin engines usually go for double what a similar single engine cart goes for.
Kevin Noah
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Depends on a lot of things. overall condition, engines needing rebuilt, laydown karts have 2 gas tanks,accidents, broken welds-rewelds,and the list goes on. Got a pic of it? Then I'll get you in the ballpark.
Well, I got it, so I'll try to post some pics. It is, in fact, twin KT100's, it has a disc brake on the back, drum brakes on the front wheels, cog-belt-drive axle clutches, 6-bolt wheels, dzus fasteners for the nosecone, etc. It certainly looks fast!
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Affair_driven
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Before destroying it, carefully check it's history.
This may be very collectible and could be made worthless if modified.
Gary Hartman was well known in the karting industry and was considered by many to be a genius.
Don't know for sure, but I believe he is deceased, possibly making the kart worth that much more.
Please check it out.
This may be very collectible and could be made worthless if modified.
Gary Hartman was well known in the karting industry and was considered by many to be a genius.
Don't know for sure, but I believe he is deceased, possibly making the kart worth that much more.
Please check it out.
Kaptain Krunch
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so how much was she?
Affair_driven
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I'm about 500 miles east of Missoula.
Affair_driven
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Power would suffer greatly without them.
Kevin Noah
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Actually Hartmans (Kathy & Gary) made blimpy pipes and other accessories for kart engines back in the day hence the blimp sticker on the back of the tanks. Definately a keeper to restore. You're probably looking at $1200 in its' present condition maybe more or less. It all depends on how much a buyer would be willing to buy it for. Some would say $300-500 that I know. I emailed a buddy of mine who I think will know what it is. Stayed tuned....
I found an old ad on another site for "The 1984 Hartman Lineup", which included a single motor and a dual motor kart. The dual-motor kart retailed for $5,000 in 1984 (!!!) I don't know if that even included the engines - I don't think it did! The ad listed Hurst-Airhart brakes as standard, and my kart has dual H-A master cylinders. Here's another overall pic - smaller, though.
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Any luck with info from your buddy? Just checking. I can't find any numbers, labels, or other identifying marks anywhere on the frame so far. It does look like a hi-quality kart, though, because pretty much every fastener is pinned, safety-wired, castellated, or nylocked. The manufacturer wanted to make darn sure everything stayed together!
r_chez_08
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sweet kat! if you dont mind me asking how mutch was she?
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The Hartman story is kind of a saga of sorts. John Hartman, Gary's dad was an engineering genius and probably the best chassis and component builder the US has seen. His chassis are simply beautiful pieces of design and craftsmanship. Kathy Hartman won more national championships than anyone has before or since (30 or 40? going toe to toe with the men, no powder puff classes)
Hartman chassis were all hand built in very limited numbers to individual driver specifications. 5k was the base price for a rolling chassis, throw in a couple of Hartman clutches, pipes, and motors and you could drop 7-10k very easily (nearly 20k in 2009 dollars.) BUT, they were THE kart to have if you wanted to win and probably the only kart that could be raced direct from the factory without any additional tuning, simply gas and go.
Short Cliff Notes version. Kathy is driver for John Hartman, her and his son Gary are an item at one point. Gary gets drafted and goes to Vietnam, Kathy marries Gary's dad John....Drama ensues.
Gary comes back and obviously there is some bad blood. Goes out on his own to build the best racing 2 stroke tuned exhausts of the 70's and early 80's often referred to as "Blimp" pipes hence the blimp sticker on the tank. Last rumor I heard, Gary is still alive and was driving a cab in Las Vegas? Kathy is an ER nurse way into bass fishing.
As an earlier poster stated, old racing karts from the '60 and '70s can be quite valuable provided they aren't hacked up. If you come across something you can't identify or have questions please shoot me an email before you take a sawz-all and spray paint can to it.
One persons funky rust bucket is another persons original condition racing kart.
There are plenty of more modern kart chassis that can be used for a DIY project.
True vintage racing karts from the 50's early 70's played an important, but vastly understated role in the development of motor-sports here in the states and abroad.
Here is a link to a documentation site for more information:
www.kartingarchives.com
(like this site, registration is required but free of charge.)
Hartman chassis were all hand built in very limited numbers to individual driver specifications. 5k was the base price for a rolling chassis, throw in a couple of Hartman clutches, pipes, and motors and you could drop 7-10k very easily (nearly 20k in 2009 dollars.) BUT, they were THE kart to have if you wanted to win and probably the only kart that could be raced direct from the factory without any additional tuning, simply gas and go.
Short Cliff Notes version. Kathy is driver for John Hartman, her and his son Gary are an item at one point. Gary gets drafted and goes to Vietnam, Kathy marries Gary's dad John....Drama ensues.
Gary comes back and obviously there is some bad blood. Goes out on his own to build the best racing 2 stroke tuned exhausts of the 70's and early 80's often referred to as "Blimp" pipes hence the blimp sticker on the tank. Last rumor I heard, Gary is still alive and was driving a cab in Las Vegas? Kathy is an ER nurse way into bass fishing.
As an earlier poster stated, old racing karts from the '60 and '70s can be quite valuable provided they aren't hacked up. If you come across something you can't identify or have questions please shoot me an email before you take a sawz-all and spray paint can to it.
One persons funky rust bucket is another persons original condition racing kart.
There are plenty of more modern kart chassis that can be used for a DIY project.
True vintage racing karts from the 50's early 70's played an important, but vastly understated role in the development of motor-sports here in the states and abroad.
Here is a link to a documentation site for more information:
www.kartingarchives.com
(like this site, registration is required but free of charge.)
dpaxson
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any updates on how this thing runs?
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hello, this bluecrowns, if anyone knows were i can find a hartman kart for sale please let me know, i would prefer a laydown but a sprint will do.
thanks mike reed
e-mail bluecrowns@aol.com
thanks mike reed
e-mail bluecrowns@aol.com
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