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Just to be certain.. you checked all THREE holes for a bolt, right?
(there is one perpendicular to the crossbolt...)

since your wheel is already ruined obviously... you can also cut (drill) a big hole right in the center of the steering wheel, to remove all the plastic parts and expose the metal insert from the top. (a forstner bit is great.. a spade bit will do too)

That way you can add penetrating oil from both ends and the faster it'll be free.

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Just to be certain.. you checked all THREE holes for a bolt, right?
(there is one perpendicular to the crossbolt...)

since your wheel is already ruined obviously... you can also cut (drill) a big hole right in the center of the steering wheel, to remove all the plastic parts and expose the metal insert from the top. (a forstner bit is great.. a spade bit will do too)

That way you can add penetrating oil from both ends and the faster it'll be free.

'sid

It's definitely rust welded...but I see no signs of penetrating oil??????
 

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I still dont really understand what you're talking about. I just cant form an action in my head.
WHAT?!
you do not understand "apply penetrating oil to the rusted part"
withou seeing a video of it?
WHAT?! :surrender::surrender:
It's definitely rust welded...but I see no signs of penetrating oil??????
Me neither Doug.. me neither....
maybe because i havent done it in a while?
NO! that's something any untrained kid can do in an instant once told.
Maybe a four year old couldn't hold the powerdrill too well...
or read "penetrating oil" on the can

But apart from that.. they will perform the job without any help;
even if they never did anything even remotely alike.

'sid

PS the help you need can likely not be provided on the internet I'm afraid
 

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I think maybe what he is saying is whatever crap...( maybe WD-40) has evaporated...

Real penetrating oil would still be there and turn the rust black.:mad2::mad2::mad2:

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But what action am i doing? HOW does the wheel come?! Like a nascar racing wheel?! TELL ME. Dont just say "hear the tools and a little bit of how to use the tools but im not gonna tell you what happens with the tools"

Yes...it just pulls off without any bolts in it...but it's rusted on...you MUST USE PENETRATING OIL...and beat it off when it gets a little bit loose.

Jeeze....do you need us to tell you how to crack an egg?
 

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For the wheel: this wheel has a steel insert. The steering shaft is also steel. It would appear that the two are now one through the process of rust. Break out your handy can of penetrating oil and douse it liberally and try to drive it off with a hammer (ball peen, not carpenter) and a steel punch or drift to localize the hammer blows around the rim of the recess
One of the pics shows what yours looks like where it slides on the steering shaft.
You need to prop the kart up so that you can repeatedly spray PB Blaster and let it soak down into the collar for a few days.
Then you take an open end wrench that just fits over the shaft and butt it against the underside of the wheel and smack the wrench with a hammer as close to the shaft as you can get.
Tap on the shaft close to the wheel some before you smack the wrench with the hammer, it may help loosen the wheel.
If you have a bigass adjustable wrench, that would work even better than an open end.
You'd have more contact area and you can smack it harder.
Of course, if you miss you might knock the roller out of the wrench but you can't have everything!


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THANK YOU! Finally a good answer! I have a 8 inch husky wrench so maybe that will work? If not and it breaks i'll just see if that is considered "under warranty" lol.[/QUOTE]

If it's a Manco wheel, it has a cross bolt running through the hub of the wheel topped off with a nut on the opposite side. If the shaft and wheel are "one" you can bet it has rusted together.

Finally the answer. Also i use PB and i've used so much i'm almost out

See...the info was there.....if you look...the PO tryed to beat it off...( why the bolt was missing.)
 

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Like sid said, your wheel is toast.
Do you have a Sawzall?
If so, get a metal blade and cut it off.
If you don't, a hacksaw and patience will accomplish the same thing.
You're gonna replace the wheel anyway, you can always cut the steering shaft and replace it.
Azusa makes them at a reasonable price and it comes with a Pitman arm to weld on.
Sometimes you have to spend money to save money.

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Then again,there's the caveman approach - get a post maul
and keep swinging until something happens.
;)
 

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I created this helpful info-graphic and instructions for current or future use, depending upon whether you have gone full caveman on the wheel at present, or not.

Since we're working against gravity, you should turn the kart over or completely upside down (front and rear supported on saw horses, barrels, boxes, oil drums, etc.) so the fluid will run into the rusted joint. Next, saturate the rusted joint with penetrating fluid; Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster (or the stuff Poboy swears by).

Application of penetrating fluid should be repeated after several minutes, hourly, over several hours or days if it is still stuck. Give time for the penetrating fluid to work as it flows into the threads (if it has them), crevices, nooks and crannies.

At the same time, get thee a ball peen hammer (for metalworking) and a punch whose working end is not much bigger that the object you are trying to move. As in the below illustration, use the hammer and punch to pound the steel insert of the wheel in a circular fashion at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock, for example. This should, with medium to heavy force, begin driving the wheel off the shaft and if not that, will create helpful vibrations in the steel to help break the rusted parts loose. Keep going around and around at different spots on the steel insert. Do not pound the plastic of the steering wheel as it is too soft and would absorb some of the vibrations you are trying to generate. Keep applying these methods until the wheel comes off or is loose enough to pull off by hands alone.

The next time one encounters rusted parts of this nature (and who can turn down a basket-case kart or minibike?) the same methods can and should be used.

I would also suggest the use of heat from a blowtorch to help free rusted parts but that is as a last resort and would damage or destroy the wheel.
 

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I have a brand new steering wheel on my other kart but its a 3 bolt-bolt on. Might just sawzall this wheel off and weld a mounting plate for the new steering wheel to this current pitman arm

That's a great idea, all the stuff you said before in this thread confused me, like in the way that I assumed you hadn't used tools.. I didn't expect you could weld after reading all that, seems like a big misunderstanding :/

Is this going to be a yard kart, or street?
 

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I created this helpful info-graphic and instructions for current or future use, depending upon whether you have gone full caveman on the wheel at present, or not.

Since we're working against gravity, you should turn the kart over or completely upside down (front and rear supported on saw horses, barrels, boxes, oil drums, etc.) so the fluid will run into the rusted joint. Next, saturate the rusted joint with penetrating fluid; Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster (or the stuff Poboy swears by).

Application of penetrating fluid should be repeated after several minutes, hourly, over several hours or days if it is still stuck. Give time for the penetrating fluid to work as it flows into the threads (if it has them), crevices, nooks and crannies.

At the same time, get thee a ball peen hammer (for metalworking) and a punch whose working end is not much bigger that the object you are trying to move. As in the below illustration, use the hammer and punch to pound the steel insert of the wheel in a circular fashion at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock, for example. This should, with medium to heavy force, begin driving the wheel off the shaft and if not that, will create helpful vibrations in the steel to help break the rusted parts loose. Keep going around and around at different spots on the steel insert. Do not pound the plastic of the steering wheel as it is too soft and would absorb some of the vibrations you are trying to generate. Keep applying these methods until the wheel comes off or is loose enough to pull off by hands alone.

The next time one encounters rusted parts of this nature (and who can turn down a basket-case kart or minibike?) the same methods can and should be used.

I would also suggest the use of heat from a blowtorch to help free rusted parts but that is as a last resort and would damage or destroy the wheel.

His wheel is toast already....why he's trying to get it off.
 

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His wheel is toast already....why he's trying to get it off.

True. Someone cut a notch out of it, as I recall. But he or the previous owner, or both, ruined a classic Manco wheel in the middle of all this nonsense. Let it stand alone as a lesson.
 

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How long is the steering shaft you have now (overall end to end length)?
Get the Azusa shaft if they have one in the length you need.
It's splined.
Get their splined hub for another $5, a Pitman arm for $2.50 and you can use the bolt on wheel you already have.
They also have a kit that comes with the shaft, the hub, two Pitman arms, two lock collars, and all the hardware for under $25.
 

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You have 2 options:
You can remove your steering wheel one way or another and either buy a replacement Manco wheel (they're out there, $35 minimum + shipping) or weld on a plate that will let you use a bolt on wheel on your existing steering shaft.
You can cut the shaft and get the Azusa steering shaft kit ($25 + shipping) and bolt on the other wheel you have.
Be aware if you go with the first option, you won't ever be able to remove the steering shaft without cutting it as the Pitman arm is welded on one end and the wheel hub will be welded on the other.
That's about it.
I can't believe we've spent three pages on removing a steering wheel.....
 

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Ummm...not to be contrary...but care to share WHERE one of those Manco wheels is? I can't find one...the new replacement ones are 3 bolt.

TBH....Speaking with GPS..they do the same thing I would probably have done...angle grinder with cut-off wheel followed by cold chisel...5 minutes...done. I honestly don't know why I didn't mention it.

But you've given excellent advice on the steering shaft and definitely the way to go.
 

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There's a pair on eBay now, I posted the item # earlier in this thread.
A "Kilch Corp. steering wheel" search turned up a couple more on various sites.
Prices ranged from $35 to $150
for a NOS.
My personal opinion is that unless for personal
reasons someone wanted their kart "original", I wouldn't worry about what steering wheel I used.
It's not like a Manco is a vintage collectible worth a fortune.
There are also lawn tractor steering wheels that mount the same way as a Manco wheel that aren't ridiculously priced.

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And yeah, if it was me, I'd have cut a groove in the metal with a cutoff wheel, used a chisel to spread it, spray some PB on it and knock it off with a hammer once it became apparent the wheel was shot.

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The pair of Manco wheels on eBay are $25 + $18 shipping.
A bargain if you ask me.

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Search "Vintage go kart" then sort by "newest listed", they're on about the third page.
 

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I'm almost embarrassed to still be here...
What you cut off wasn't the problem.
What you left was.
For the love of God, cut a groove in it, spray it with PB (as you've been told many times), spread it with a chisel, and knock it off with a hammer.
I'm done here.
Anyone else, proceed at your own risk.
 

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Holy Deleted Posts, Batman!

This thread has been butchered! It's almost like it never was...

I'm done with this Johkah.

 

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ok, blame the mod

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i wanted to delete the whole post but this forum doesnt have that feature
 
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