searching for waterbike adaptation help me plz

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OK, you do not need to spend that kind of money on something that is basically assembled from hardware store parts. If you are willing to slow down and contemplate each part and how to build it, you can build one for peanuts.

The first thing you will need to do is calculate how much weight the pontoons will need to float, then you can build them from large diameter PVC pipe, and if you want an extra margin of safety, you can fill them with spray foam before gluing on the caps. There are formulas out there for calculating how much weight a given volume of air will float, and I could rattle it off for you, but then you would not have learned anything. Google is your friend.
You can also google "fin boat" and come to understand how the propulsion system works. The blade needs to flex like a tail fin on a fish, and that can be accomplished with Lexan unbreakable plastic, which is not free but certainly cheaper than the kit you cannot afford.

You could also switch the propulsion system to a paddle wheel system if you can figure out how to either build the wheel or convert your own bike wheel to a paddle wheel. Before trying that, you might want to consider getting an old wheel from a bike shop, so if it all goes wrong, you will not have destroyed the one on your bike.

I have been building machinery from scrap my entire life, and if you train your brain to work on each o f the individual problems, then design your project on paper first, you can accomplish nearly anything, but if you only sit at home and wish you had a pedal-powered boat, you will accomplish nothing.....best of good fortune to you in your future endevors….Joe
 

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the thing is that it has to be a none permanent setup

i wonder where else could i source the parts from or what parts could be used instead of thoses ones


only th floaters i can find a substitute.

do you know if there is a plan somewhere?
 

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In my opinion, you are not going to build a non-permanent setup in any practical sense.

Plenty of information out there for building paddle-wheel boats even without the bike, and a fin-boat would be easier to build without the bike parts involved. I am not too sure why they are not just selling a kit to do one or the other, but if you want to keep your bike ready to ride on land, I'd suggest building the boat to be self-operating with no bike parts.

Using pontoons instead of a hull, this is a pretty easy project once you get started, but you will have to be able and willing to design and fabricate some parts, whether of wood or metal.....Joe
 

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The more I look at it, the more I suspect some guy saw it in a dream, then woke up and drew the picture before he had time to fully awaken... :) …...Joe
 

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hi
why is that ? are you having doubts about something about its construction? what do you foresee
 

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I'm sti just trying to figure out how this contraption is powering the propeller. the pictures are garbage.

cable drive propeller off rear wheel like old bike dynamo? that setup looms like a someone threw spare pieces together.
 

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Why would one want such a contraption?

Furthermore, why would someone looking to build a cross between an inflatable raft and a bicycle come to a go kart forum for suggestions?

Don't get me wrong, it's great to have new members and there are a lot of innovative ideas that flow through here, but this ain't exactly our thing.

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It looks like it basically locks the front wheel from rotating and turns it into a sort of azimuth thruster. There's a propeller on the rudder on the front wheel connected to a friction roller on the back wheel by some form of flexible driveshaft.

This whole idea seems like a WAY overcomplicated way to make a pedal boat. $1500 to adapt one thing into a completely different thing. Like a conversion kit to turn a tractor into an airplane, and still have it be a tractor.

Garage sale bike to chop up, some EMT conduit, a couple inflatable tubes of some sort... Could probably build the whole thing from scratch for well under $500 and just have it be its own thing.
 

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EXACTLY!

After the pontoons, it can mostly be assembled from bits of junk laying around, if you are lucky enough to have a junky yard like my kids were. You can build it in stages, starting with the pontoons. Fastened together with brackets fabbed from wood or metal, you will have a raft.

Then, decide if you want a fin-boat, paddle boat or propeller-driven boat, or just start scouting the local junk piles and see which parts pop up first. This stuff is supposed to be fun! I guess if you scored the right fan blade, it could even be an air boat, but it might be hard to generate enough fan speed using the human legs for propulsion.

Sorry, got distracted.

Anyhow, plenty of ways to make a pedal boat without involving the bike, so use your imagination and google, and don't just give up....Joe

https://youtu.be/Hkf8NvbkPdI
 
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i come here because i need the creativity and knowledge... it is an unusual project.
my main questions is whit whch pieces i could achied a similar desing cause a want an upstrait bike not recombant or something.
that i can install and remove easily for transportation in streets..
can you tell me the name or link of pieces that would do the same job?
 

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You already got creativity and knowledge here, but seem more interested in getting exactly what you want, which takes no creativity at all....just money.

People here get no reward for their creativity and knowledge except the pleasure of solving interesting problems for interesting people.

Sourcing parts for somebody else's design is really not interesting enough to motivate anybody much, but I wish you the best of luck and the motivation to search them out yourself....Joe
 

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I'd think this would be better as a trailer... Then take to the water, dismount and mount up on the water's edge..
Either have bigger folding wheels, or small ones like on a small boat.. could use some barrels or kegs.. depending on how much you want to spend..
 

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I rented an upright pedal boat a few years ago on Town Lake in Austin, TX and it was fun, so I decided to take the side journey.

There is a video on YT that shows it much better than the picture above or the web site. First 3 minutes of this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5BI0t2jR4Qo

I think you picked a nice minimal design after looking at 4 or 5 of these rigs. Most are specialized and not practical as a bicycle.

Poking around on YT a few more clicks, I found an example of how to make a propeller system using an old angle grinder and other parts from a bike. Neat, but would not be easy to steer like the flexible shaft drive roller on the back wheel turning the prop on the bottom of the front wheel.

Most impressive IMHO was a pedal powered hydrofoil "bike" (no wheels though) but it is capable of deep water starts.

Good luck with the project. DIY anything is better than buying !


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I think the biggest thing here when he says break down for transport is that the one listed in the original post fits in a backpack so you can ride your bike to the water wearing it on your back. You then blow up the pontoons, put it together, and attach your bike.

Could that be done as a DIY? Yes. Thing is, this looks like the type of thing that's fresh out of the gate from a crowdfunding campaign. It has lots of custom made parts, has been extremely well thought out and designed, which is why it's very expensive. You're paying for the idea, not so much the thing itself. Building that EXACT thing from scratch will take a LOT of time, effort, trial and error.

Building something LIKE it could be fairly straightforward and inexpensive, but sacrifices will need to be made, such as the ability to transport in a backpack.

Something with a rigid frame, perhaps with telescoping crossmembers to make it narrower could be pulled BEHIND the bike with relative ease, using a pair of small lightweight bike wheels off a burly trailer or kids bike. Pull a pin, pop them off, and stow them on top somewhere.

The bike could be braced vertically with a pair of struts extending up from the frame to a collar that goes around the seat post.

Back tire could sit in a pair of spool shaped rollers that then drive a rear mounted propulsion system, whatever that may be.

Front tire could sit in a channel that swivels to turn a rear mounted rudder via some brake cables or a pushrod.

That way, the weight of the bike can still sit on the wheels as intended, and your weight would provide ample friction to run the drive rollers without having to design a mechanism that clamps to the bike frame and contains a gearbox and flexible output shaft to a front mounted propulsion system.

It took 5 minutes to come up with an idea to build something LIKE this that would be reasonably inexpensive and simple, and that I could build after a few hours shopping online and a couple days in the shop. It would take me a couple weeks in a machine shop, and a wide assortment of skills (that don't come cheap) to duplicate that exact thing.
 

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Anickode, you have all of the right ideas, but the guy seems to be really young and set on the plan that somebody will make it so easy for him and that it will all come together exactly as he wants it.

Nothing wrong with dreaming, and as he ages, he easily could turn into the guy who will make it happen on his own. It just takes time, and the realization that absolutely NOBODY is as interested in his wants and needs as he is, so he needs to be the guy who will make them real.

Until that time, not much anybody can do for him, but guys who REALLY want stuff tend to figure out how to get it, and so I have high hopes for him stepping up and bringing his dreams into reality.

I want to help boys become productive men...but I do not want to help either too much or too little. We have LONG past helping too little....Joe
 
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