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Bbqjoe

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I put an ad on CL yesterday.
Within an hour, I had no less than a dozen scammers.

There's gotta be a special place in heII for those guys.

I hope they all die a slow lingering painful early death. :furious2: :mad: :censored: :mad:
 

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Please describe, for the uninitiated, what a CL scammer is and how they attempted to scam you.

Can you paste what they wrote you (if they didn't use the old fashioned squawk box)?
 

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Just a few example of the more unique ones I've gotten. The quickest way to say "scammer" is that they almost all start off by texting you the exact listing title with the price followed by "...do you still have this?" Real people don't do that. Also it will be from an out of area number 99% of the time. If you don't immediately realize it's a scammer you will when you say yes and they're next text is "okay I want you to ship it but I will pay you asking price first". Lastly, if you get an email like the one attached, they're trying to make themselves look more credible by giving you false info about who they are. You ship them your item, the money never comes, and when you tell the police it was Thompson Horner from the national gallery they tell you that person doesn't exist.
 

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i do a TON of business on CL, you learn to spot the scams without having to spend too much time on them

a TEXT message that reads: Is your "2011 GMC Sierra crew cab" item still available?

if they quote the ad title and call it "item" right away, its a scam

if they question something that is plainly spelled out in the ad- good indication of scam

then there is the long, odd story about where they are or what needs to happen for them to take delivery, ignore it

now, the best way to filter spammers, only use the CL relay, any email that comes through asking you to reply to "their" specific email just ignore

scammers will not use the relay beyond the initial message providing an alternate email


also, keep in mind just what CL is, easy way to sell your old crap and make some coin, and just know you have to deal with scammers
 

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Why is it that they always text you their email and want you to respond Via email???
Mrs. Chancer said they just want your email address...
But I don't get WHY they want my email?
 

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I got quite a few like MMA posted. Many times the way the one he posted works goes like this:
They offer to pay you through paypal. You figure hey, if I get the money, what can possibly go wrong?
They tell you they wired the money, and you then receive an email from paypal stating the money has arrived in your acct.
The first problem is that the paypal email is a fake.
If you actually log into your acct, you'll see the money isn't there; they're hoping you wont.

Anyway the email arrives. You asked for $1500.00 but the email states they sent maybe $2500.00
You then send an email to the buyer telling him he paid too much. He says, ooops!
It's ok, just wire, or paypal the difference back to me. You do, and then he's gone!

Nobody pays up front for an "ITEM" of that price without seeing it.

Another way a similar one goes, is that they send you too much, give you some story about being tied up, overseas, in the hospital or something and tell you to please take the extra money and send it to the "mover" or "courier" to come get the "item".
Again, you wire your own money, and again, they are gone.

Having a small business for almost 10 years, I saw all kinds of these.

I will admit I was taken about 2 years ago for $2000, and these folks were good.
This one is pretty believable, right up until you realize you've been had.
All these scams rely heavily on your blind desire for an "item".

I saw a small piece of heavy equipment that I wanted. The price was way too low, but the seller spun a pretty good tale about the unit being completely refurbished by her husband. She went as foar as to list all the things that were done. New pumps, hoses, tires, linkage, la la la, specifically naming each part, and going into great detail.

She spoke of her husband dying, and that she knew it was worth way more, but was liquidating everything so she could free herself of her husbands business and move.
It sounded pretty real.

She said she wanted to be safe in the transaction. A "friend" of hers was helping her with the liquidation, and told her of an escrow service Amazon provided.
She said I could purchase Amazon gift cards, and that way amazon would hold the money until I received the item, and took 5 days to inspect it.
Once I was satisfied, I would tell Amazon to release the funds to her.
I agreed.

I then got an email with a contract covering shipping, the five day inspection, details about return shipping if I wasn't happy with it, the carriers name etc. The contract even listed the serial number of the item.
I googled the serial number, and it matched what it was.

I signed the deal, and bought the cards.
What could go wrong? Amazon had my money, not her.

I was told by Amazon to verify the numbers on the cards to prove that I had indeed purchased them, which I did.

The seller got back to me, told me that she verified that Amazon had the funds, and was proceeding with shipping. Again I was given the name of the shipper, delivery date and instructions and was also the shipper would contact me for delivery instructions.

After a day or two I contacted the shipper, and of course they had no funding clue what I was talking about.

All the emails from Amazon looked official and real.
In my blind lust for a small bobcat tractor, I neglected to contact Amazon to see if they really offered an escrow service.

The most depressing thing was when I contacted Amazon, they said yes, the cards had been used. I told them the whole story. They know whose account was used to "cash in" the cards, but yet did nothing except tell me they would start an investigation.
Nothing in two years.

Lesson learned in the very hardest way.
 

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Dang Joe that's a crazy one. I've read about similar fake escrow service scams through eBay but never that thorough. Can I ask why you didn't go to your local police?

Also I just remembered something that happened to a distant friend last year. He had been looking for a used car in a somewhat low price range and found a great deal on a car on CL that seemed to be in great condition. The guy had a legit Texas title and they traded the title for $6000 cash right there in person. Friend took the car home, went to bed and next morning there's no car, and here's where it gets crazy. Obviously he calls the police first and files it stolen. Then he calls and calls the guy he bought it from and the guy never picks up. A couple days later the police tell him that the car was repossessed by the financier that owned it. As it turns out the title he was given was fake. The number he had to the seller was a prepaid and last but not least: the person who financed the car didn't exist. Stolen ssn, fake name, random address. Friend gave $6000 to a ghost. This story has a good ending though because his father in law owns a used car lot and GAVE him a newish Wrangler Unlimited after all this happened.
 

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Dang Joe that's a crazy one. I've read about similar fake escrow service scams through eBay but never that thorough. Can I ask why you didn't go to your local police?
Well, first there's the embarrassment factor, then the fact that Amazon had records of where my cash went, and didn't seem to really give a rats @zz, so I figured what the he77 are the local police going to do?

Guys this good probably have their tracks so covered, that they couldn't even find themselves if they had to.

I've got one more, and this funder was excellent.

I was contacted by an outfit that specializes in franchising small businesses. He puts the package together, then travels to shows and expos selling his restaurant franchises.
He said he liked my food and business model, and was certain he could make a nice package, and sell it.

For a small guy like me, this would be like the golden goose schitting golden eggs all over the the funding front yard.

There was a website and everything. I googled the whole mess, and it appeared legit.
I even found clientele that he had set up franchising with. I called them and discussed the prospect, and how it worked for them.
They were all happy, but also added that it did take some work on their part as well.

I agreed to the terms. $2000 payment, and x percent of franchises sold at X dollars.
I sent him the money.

He first asked me for a bunch of info, and also pics of the place, menu, and a copy of my logo.
We discussed pricing of the franchises, his commission etc over the phone.

A week or so went by, and he sent me a pkg with about 40 pages of perspective contracts for buyers, including my requirements for procedures that franchisees had to follow in order to use my model.
It outlined how payments to myself were to be received, as well as a whole slew of other stuff. It required my ok.

Some changes were needed. I made notes, talked to him on the phone, and received a new pkg with all the changes made.

A few weeks later, I received more stuff to ok. Then I finally was sent a final prospectus all nicely bound with my logo on the front, and a clear cover.

I never heard from him again, nor could I find him.

A few years later, I came across a blog or something. The guy used to be legit, then found it was easier to just put the pkgs together, take the money, but never actually try to sell them.

By the time I found all this out, the guy was already in jail, and for some reason I was never contacted about the class action lawsuit, and it was too late to file.
 

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Wait. . Joe, I am a refugee in Texas,. My father owns a gold mine, and I just need $5,000 US, so I can access my father's HUGE fortune.
Also, I have some beachfront property in Arizona....
 

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Wow crazy stuff.

I've received two really well made emails from Amazon and Bank of america.

The Amazon one said my package was shipped and my 1,200 xeon server was on its way. with login button to look into my information on the account. The email was not from Amazon.com but from Amazons.com with a link that brought me to some fake page asking for login. So i logged in with a bunch of fake emails and nasty passwords :) which redirected me to amazon.com etc etc. looked really well. except i know i didn't buy a server and i went directly to Amazon.com and checked first.

I deleted them but next time ill take a snap shot and paste here :)

They are really good and scamming people.
 

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I've thought of silly junk to sell people online, for like maybe $5, never did it.
But these guys, stealing large amounts of money from people is just insane.

Like my Pappy used to say, If you even put half of that energy into doing something GOOD....
 

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If I ever sell something on CL, it'll be in person and at the police station or Sheriff's department. One guy last year was shot at, at a Walmart parking lot middle of the day and was robbed by the buyer. So local PD and sheriff said use the front of their departments to be more of a deterrent.
 

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I responded to a guy today who was trying the paypal ploy.
I told him I had a very busy paypal account, and would need his full name so I could tell when he paid.

I wonder why he never got back to me? :shrug:
 

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haha i got two of them this week. Check this one out. Wonder how this one works?

"My Name is Rose Modupe an orphan, I gave birth to twins 2 boys but I ve' decided to give them up for adoption because I can't take care of them. If you are ready to adopt them or one of the babies, please reply back so we can start the paper work and adoption fees. "
 

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haha i got two of them this week. Check this one out. Wonder how this one works?

"My Name is Rose Modupe an orphan, I gave birth to twins 2 boys but I ve' decided to give them up for adoption because I can't take care of them. If you are ready to adopt them or one of the babies, please reply back so we can start the paper work and adoption fees. "

No, That one's real. It's just how I got rid of my kids.
Met behind the K-mart, badda-bing, no more kids! :D





OK, JK
 
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