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I'm about ready to invest in a sandblast unit. Probably a HF type. I'm not sure if I want to get a cabinet or a blaster. If I get a cabinet, frames are out of the question. If I get a blaster, just how much mess does it make? I'm getting tires of using wire wheels to clean up frames.
 

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i would go with just the blaster. use it out in the yard its not that big of a mess at all.
 

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Umm, yes it is; before I bought my cabinet, half my blasting time was spent cleaning up, that stuff goes everywhere

Unless you want to go through media like there's no tomorrow, you need an area with at least two walls & a concrete floor & blast into the area. You will also need a blasting suit & hood, that stuff hurts when it hits you at a few 100mph

Ideally, I wish I had both but, my small cabinet does a good job on the smaller parts but, it depends what you'll be blasting more of; if you're mostly doing frames, you'd be better off with a freestanding unit over a cabinet

EDIT: Sorry man, I had to fix the title, it was driving me mad :lolgoku:
 

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about 10 15 feet. i just use dry whete suger sand. of course i do have a 5 HP 230 Volt 175 working PSI 80 gal. Air Compressor. more thin enough power to blast anything i want.
 

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IMO... 'cabinet'(how often you plan on blasting a frame?!)! Atleast w/ a cabinet you can have a more recyclable usage of blasting media. Plus on a 'norm' small things need plasting more so than larger.

Plus refering to Fabs reply... cleanup is virtually nill for a cabinet...plus all the garments dont have to be worn to keep sand/glass/sugar outta your trousers/socks/hair/nose/etc...
 

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Why not a gravity hand blaster for more hard to reach areas. And the wire for the straight runs. All in all, is going to be a bit of work anyways.
I have a hand blaster and all I do is suit up with good gloves, face shield(I also wear glasses, so safety glasses are a must if not) , a hoodie pullover(my usuall weld'n shirt).
I only have some sifted play sand, but it works pretty good this way.
 

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Why not a gravity hand blaster for more hard to reach areas. And the wire for the straight runs. All in all, is going to be a bit of work anyways.
I have a hand blaster and all I do is suit up with good gloves, face shield(I also wear glasses, so safety glasses are a must if not) , a hoodie pullover(my usuall weld'n shirt).
I only have some sifted play sand, but it works pretty good this way.

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You're using straight sand without a cartridge type respirator?!?!? And indoors?!?!?! HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A MEDICAL CONDITION KNOWN AS SILICOSIS?!?!

Straight sand does work great for blasting: it's also one of the worst things you could ever expose your lungs to. There is a REASON professional blasting media is called "MEDIA". And while glass beads are used for blasting, they are not the same as silica sand; they have additional ingredients that make the beads a lot tougher, and generate a small fraction of the dangerous byproducts that make just sand so bad. And many of the most commonly used are actually different types of steel shot.

How much you want to spend on your personal rig is up to you; but it better include the price of a good respirator rated for under 2 micron dust particles, 1 micron would be even better. Silicosis has a lot in common with black lung disease; the little doses don't seem like much until you wake up one day, and your lungs are shot.
 

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Sorry forgot to mention...NOT INDOORS..... out side, in the yard. There wasnt really any dust at all.
 

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:mad: That respirator is a whole lot cheaper than a new set of lungs; and the dust you need protection from is the type YOU CAN NOT SEE.:censored:

When it comes to your lungs, the smaller the particle, the more dangerous it probably is. Just because you don't "SEE" it doesn't mean it's not there, and you don't have to worry about it.....

Do you begin to see why I'm a little concerned here?
 

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i back my airboat up to whatever im blasting and run it @ idle speed and it blows all the dust particles and sand away from me. lol :) i also use a respirator. i also use my airboat to blow all the leaves out my yard. lol :) the fun you can have with a airboat.
 

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I would like to second the silicosis comment. I work in chemical and physical hazards and do air monitoring. Media used in 'sand blasting' is typically, steel shot, amorphous silica or aluminum oxide depending on what you want to sand blast. These are less harmful to your body if inhaled, and aren't that big of a deal. It still would be good to wear a respirator when doing this as a precautionary principal.

If you use just sand, it contains silica. Which is basically glass. Your body's defenses are the hair in your nose, mucus, and cilia in your respiratory tract. That gets the very small and very large particles so you can hack them up or pick them out with your finger :)

There are particles that fit in the middle range of size. These types of particles are too big AND too small to get caught up in your body's defenses before they reach the air sacks in your lungs called the alveoli, (this is where the air diffuses in and out of your blood).

Your body still has other defenses, white blood cells, that attack the contaminants that enter your alveoli. These are alveolar macrophages. They do a great job with most stuff, except for silica, especially respirable silica (the size that gets into the alveoli).

Once respirable silica enters your alveoli, the macrophages get to work trying to engulf it, but since it is basically small shards of glass.... the macrophages end up being pierced through after they engulf it and die. This creates a cascade of health effects that could potentially kill you, and and best, reduces your lung function and quality of life (ever heard of COPD?). Once the macrophage dies, it creates a histamine reaction which increases swelling and more macrophages come to the rescue. They end up dying too and fluid, swelling, dead macrophages, and scarring accumulate. The alveoli that were affected basically become hard and full of fluid/dont work. Your lungs are elastic, so the scarring and hardness inhibits its ability to expand/contract so less air gets in and out with each breath. Because the alveoli lose their ability to function, even the air you breath in is not used as much. The silica can cause cancer as well due to chronic inflammation and other factors.

So basically, if you are exposed to too much respirable silica (when sand blasting with normal sand, higher amounts of respirable slilica are generated because you are breaking it down to smaller bits as it its the workpiece) you may end up dying due to respiratory failure or cancer.

As a precautionary principal, wear a real respirator the right way. Shave before you wear it, and dont use that crappy 'dust mask' spend $30 on a half face air purifying respirator with n-100 cartridges and prevent yourself from death by slow drowning without being in water.

I know of a guy that was a small contractor that employed a recently married 18 yr old guy to do abrasive blasting. He died soon afterwards from cancer due to the quartz silica found in the abrasive, which turned out to be sand. Use the right PPE, or use aluminum oxide media, it is cheap and can be reused up to a point.
 
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