running on hho?

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has anyone tried? i saw a bunch of stuff about it a few years ago. my brother started messing with it, mind you he knows very little if anything about chemistry. he has blown the lid off of his 'cell' twice now. there are videos of generators and other small engines running off of the cells on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6rqXW4WCCc

no one really shows throttling the engine off of cells, but i was thinking that with the onboard generator for the clones and hondas, that the faster you go the more hho will be produced. of course that's provided that the under fly generator puts out enough energy at idle. seems feasible enough a project, which i intend to undertake. my concerns currently are whether or not i have have to coat the cylinder and rings in a ceramic substance like cermet or just run them as is. most of the videos show no sign of condensated gases (water). there is also the vaporized gasoline setups, which are supposed to double your efficiency.
 
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yes, quit investigating. These people are just the Alex Jones or Glenn Becks of the physics world. While it is true that there is heaps of energy stored in every atom, it takes more energy to extract the hydrogen from the h2o. Even the most efficient electrolysis devices are nowhere near close to getting the same energy out than what was put in. It's a simple system, and there's no conspiracy that keeps people from developing what this is, free energy. It just does't work, nuff said. These people are dumb.
 
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hmm, granted it takes more to produce electricity and the yield of hydrogen is small in comparison. but, the hydrogen has many uses as well. with a proper catalyst, it may become more feasible. there are those, who, through electrolysis are running engines at a set speed, but at high voltages. what of the stories of guys getting 370 mpg of gas (courtesy of shell oil), 100 miles per 4 oz. of water (denny or dennis klein), etc.? there has to be some truth to it. i am looking at what i can of the most efficient modes, and trying to get ideas on size of vessel per amount of hydroxy, size of core, and amount of hydroxy required to run a 6.5 at full throttle. wading through the supplementary systems to find stand alone models is proving tedious. tesla's plasma reformer seems a better system than what is currently available, but i, personally, think a modern carb with the proper jetting would allow you to eliminate over half the weight of the reformer shown at some places on the web. is gasoline more volatile in a gaseous state? yes, i believe it is. could a car be ran off of the fumes from the gas, provided the fumes were produced in enough of a quantity? yes, again. the problem is getting the liquid fuels to fracture quickly and efficiently enough that it does not take more energy to produce it than it drives. otherwise what would be the purpose? for one, to make money. the laws of supply and demand. all i'm saying is, is it is possible, and i intend to find out.
 
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:iagree: with that guy on the vid, but theres prob some reason we haven't made cars like that yet, maybe like how the prius doesn't equal out in its mpg the amount of pollution it makes in manufacturing until you've driven it for like 25 yrs, not to mension prius deosn't score to well on highway mpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk
 
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r97, the reason car manufactuers are not building these cars is that the big oil companies have a great interest and monies invested and control over car companies to produce engines that depend on oil..otherwise they would be outta business. So basically they have control over what consumers like us have to buy! Sad stuff! As my old Social studies teacher once said, still rings true today, "Money talks and bulls**t walks!"
 
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the US and russia have the nuclear market cornered, the arabs the oil, de beers the diamonds. we don't have that much oil, just as the arabs do not have much water. the guys who have come up with such things, who are still around, are the ones who didn't advertise. if you advertise something someone else wants, it gets stolen, you get robbed or murdered over it. history is littered with such stories. so anyone tried building one that they wouldn't mind sharing a little info from?
 
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sadly, we would be in the same situation but with a different product. if fuel were to get that cheap, either someone would try to buy all the rights to water or what ever fuel we used. if that was unfeasable, they would try taxing us. the problem is as it has always been, greed.
 
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Yes, kenny is right. i know of this engine, it uses the energy wasted as heat and uses water to steam to propel it into another stroke.


MONEY TALKS, like you said. However the oil industry doesn't seem to give a rats a$$ about stopping these people from selling their garbage HH0 Kits? It doesn't make sense.

The way I see it, the same type of people who believe in this nonsense that doesn't work within the realms of physics are the same kinds of people who are susceptible to the god delusion.

THE OPEL P1 world record car is merely a go kart with a car's body. Weight is the enemy of fuel consumption, and without weight we cannot have safety.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zX2pHg-2_I&feature=fvw

Money talks, ironically, that's the same of this segment.

You're wasting our time
 
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kenny, while they have had 6 stroke engines and water injection for years, he is using the water as an extra power stroke. he should be able to get the same cooling effect by spraying the water in just after the fuel ignites. with high enough pressure, it will not kill the existing fire, but amplify it. it's good he's looking outside the box. in his attempts, he may gain double mileage. as to keeping the water from freezing, some say to add some alcohol. i'm looking for more efficiency, there's that greed again!

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20060227/FREE/302270007

here's one with a plasma reformer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuquiVJUZ_0&feature=related

in vaporizing gasoline, they talk about using 350* to heat it sufficiently. that seems kinda dangerous to me, but i have spilled quite a bit of gas on hot engines with none ever igniting (by accident of course). in the r/c engines running nitro/alky, a tube runs from the muffler into the fuel tank. this heats up the air and vapors in the tank, which provides a pressure feed. this may or may not help to stabilize the fuel to make sure it goes through the pickup tube. with vaporizing, our fuel tanks are ran the wrong way. vapors exist at the top of the fuel, but our tanks allow for bottom flowing. which means, that when the fuel is heated or shaken, the vapors push against the liquid forcing it into the line. this may or may not cause poorer efficiency. some to most tanks have vents, but then you are losing fuel as well.

there was a couple of videos on youtube about a generator that uses no power to run, it is said to have 100% efficiency. i couldn't find them again.
 
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machine, no one asked you to read this. you chose to read it on your own. for how long did they say man would never be able to fly? the realms of physics are more vast than we know. if we can dream it, have we not the intelligence to make it so? as to god complex's and delusions of grandeur, life would be far simpler. being that it is complicated, why not try to simplify it?
 
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mike...im just sayin i have a ton of respect for you. you seem to be a very smart guy and i see u inventing somethin amazing in the future. hahaha
 
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Is it an april fools joke or something that someone hooks up an air or water hose to an engine and forces it to turn over and calls it running on water. The fact that some sound serious about this makes me think I'm missing something.
 
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