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Have go karts that since the weather has gotten cooler some of the engines are giving us problems with staying running. They crank and run fine for a few minutes then will just die and wont crank back. Any thoughts or suggestions on what could be causing this problem.
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David
 

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We generally move up a size or two on the main jet on our Briggs flattys. From a 31 to a 32 or 33.
What you saying is that when there is a change in the weather I have to change jets?
Sorry... not buyin' it.
If jet change is required...then it was wrong to begin with, which is possible.
The only difference between summer and winter running is the warm-up time required.
Most power plants run better in colder weather...as do mine.
 

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How cold are we talking, like -30*F? This sounds like tuneup/maintenance stuff.
I've had my GX340 out between 20* and 25*F with a shot of alcohol in the fuel to avoid line icing. Runs like a dream. (Might need another minute with the choke at startup, but runs beautifully with all that cold, dense air.)
 

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Agreed, with all that nice, cold, dense air, wouldn't it make sense to throw a tad more fuel in there? None of our 3 motors built by the same guy never went over 410° and performed beautifully. It was about 35° when we started and got to about 40° for the rest of the day. Yes, we were all flying!!
 

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Just fight it till it warms up, and don't gun it right after startup and choke is good too.
 

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The only thing you may need to change during the winter on any small gas engine, is the oil.

..Unless you're already running the recommended viscosity.

Be patient on the warm-ups, and most engines will run a lot better in colder temps.
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions. The car cranked back up yesterday and rran fine for a while. Im still not sure on whats causing it but we are running reccomended oil in them and they have plenty of gas in them. Temp is starting to get down to around 30F and tops out around 50F during the day. Its only this one engine that is giving us a problem the others once they warm up do just fine for the day.
 

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Cold weather requires richer jetting.
Dead wrong on this one.
Jet changes are only required with extreme changes in altitude only. Any factory small engine service manual states this.
All my power plants run equally well in temps from close to 0°F to over 90°F.
I cannot imagine re-jetting all my carbs for winter use...and then back again for the summer. It's not the way things work.
 

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What would be your suggestions then on why it will crank and run for a short period of time, then just quit and not run for a while.
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Dead wrong on this one.
Jet changes are only required with extreme changes in altitude only. Any factory small engine service manual states this.
All my power plants run equally well in temps from close to 0°F to over 90°F.
I cannot imagine re-jetting all my carbs for winter use...and then back again for the summer. It's not the way things work.
 

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That may be true.............. for an out-of-the-box, governed, unmodified, factory motor not designed to go above 3600 rpm. We're running ungoverned race motors, or at least somewhat modified motors and with the plug and jet combo we had run all summer, our motors were running hot with the temp change and some were breaking up at WOT. Moving to a larger jet solved this issue. Yes, for bone-stock consumer level goods, no jet change should be necessary, but after adding say, even only an aftermarket exhaust and air filter, some tweaking is generally required. Which might include changing your jet.

Russ, Google: bigger jet cold weather? The responses mostly suggest to try changing the jet as a potential fix. I am in no way saying " Do this!! It will fix your problem," merely speaking from experience.

As for the OP, get a can of carb cleaner, spritz a shot into the air filter before start up and go.
 

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...factory motor not designed to go above 3600 rpm.
Where does OP state that he has anything more than this?
merely speaking from experience.
As am I.
Google: bigger jet cold weather?
...and everything on the WWW can be taken as gospel.

I have learned from several decades of "hands on"...and not what someone else believes and subsequently posts.
 

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Dead wrong on this one.
Jet changes are only required with extreme changes in altitude only. Any factory small engine service manual states this.
All my power plants run equally well in temps from close to 0°F to over 90°F.
I cannot imagine re-jetting all my carbs for winter use...and then back again for the summer. It's not the way things work.

actually as an ase certified mechanic i can tell you that he is NOT dead wrong on this one. altitude changes and modifications are the main reason to jet but weather changes can make a difference. although the difference is usually small it does change which may or may not required a jet change. at 3000 ft elevetion in 70 degree weather your typical air density will be .0668, but when you get down to 10 degrees the density changes to .0753. while thats only a 12 percent diff its still a difference.while you may find jetting that will work at both temps but in order to get a good tune you sometimes need to jet a bit. just because you didnt need or want to doesnt neccesarily mean that nobody else will.
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions. The car cranked back up yesterday and rran fine for a while. Im still not sure on whats causing it but we are running reccomended oil in them and they have plenty of gas in them. Temp is starting to get down to around 30F and tops out around 50F during the day. Its only this one engine that is giving us a problem the others once they warm up do just fine for the day.

What kind of engine are we working with here?

If its a Honda or clone engine like your other dirty air filter thread, (you already tried replacing the air filter on this one right?) try pulling the fuel line off at the carb and see if your getting a good strong flow of fuel. If its just barely dripping, unscrew the sediment bowl/fuel filter built into your petcock. Maybe its just full of dirt and restricting the flow.

This would totally explain why it might run alright for only a short time after its been sitting for a few hours and finally had a chance to completely fill the float bowl.

Another possibility here is that you've got dirt plugging your carbs needle and seat valve or its main jet. On Honda's, you'd want to remove the carb and unscrew the bolt at the bottom-center of your float bowl to remove it. You'll then see how the needle and seat/float assembly comes apart. After removing this spray some carb cleaner in through the carbs fuel inlet, and also from the other direction through the small fuel orifice you'll find in the seat valve to thoroughly clean the passage. Clean off the needle and seat and reassemble.

With your float bowl off, you'll notice the carb has a long tube that protrudes down nearly to the bottom inside of your float bowl. Your main jet is inside there. The jet unscrews with a fairly wide straight blade screwdriver but you can usually leave it in to clean it. Just find a small diameter needle or something small that you can push through the Main jets small orifice a few times to clear any debris, and then insert your carb cleaners straw tightly up against the jets orifice and spray the cleaner through it. (just hold it so the carb cleaner cant blow back into your eyes while doing this, it really hurts)

I've got a feeling your fighting 1 or maybe a combination of a couple of these problems with that engine but you might as well try them all. Sometimes its also a good idea to clean out any dirt or debris that tends to build up in the gas tank so similar problems dont soon reoccur...

One last thing you could confirm (while your air cleaner is removed) is to make sure your carbs choke butterfly is fully opening when the choke levers in the open position.


All this talk about rejeting for cold weather is just to get max performance in race kart engines and wouldn't apply to your problem here. I think its just a coincidence it started acting up now and you'd be having this same problem if the weather was warm.
 

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Original poster is talking about off the shelf Honda engines.
To change jets every time the temperature changes is simply ludicrous.
This is my only point.
Also, I really do not care what anybodies "education" is...I speak from experience.
 

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Original poster is talking about off the shelf Honda engines.
To change jets every time the temperature changes is simply ludicrous.
This is my only point.
Also, I really do not care what anybodies "education" is...I speak from experience.

I concur. We're not talking about race/dyno stuff here. The fuel system clearly has a malfunction that may or may not be exacerbated by the cold, but is not caused by it, nor is re-jetting the solution.

Also- If you're running a fuel filter (and I really cannot think of any good reason you shouldn't be), check it. Inspect the tank, too, there could be a bunch of gunk down there.
 

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in the cold weather you generally want to jet up about 2 sizes, cause the cold air is dense( i think thats how it is) i never mess with it on 4 strokes cause it doens't really affect that bad, but 2 strokes it is kinda a good idea to do it, since urs is a 4 poker ( oops, meant stroke, force of habbit) it is prolly more than just jets, maybe needing a carb cleaning, fresh oil, fresh gas, new fuel lines, take ur jets out and check inside them, blow all the junk outta the carb and then clean the air filter, and assemble correctly, if it still doesn't run rite after that it could be more serious
 
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