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What kind of groupings would you call very accurate? It seems ~1 MOA is treated like the holy grail or something, but seems attainable for almost any decently built rifle with minimal work.

Even my Savage 7 that I got beat up and rusty for $90ish will shoot ~1.5-2" at 100 yds with a 4x scope, unlocked bolt (semi auto, blowback) and cheap (brick) ammo -- more accurate than the scope hairs. It's even still got the crappy round face crown on it. So what gives?
 

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Try 3 in a dime at 100yrds......that's an accurate rifle.....yours if perfectly useable....and better than average.....but not what they call a "tack driver"....
 

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Dime size seems like a better criteria than MOA to me :thumbsup:

And I'm in no way claiming my model 7 is a tack driver. In fact, it's one of my least accurate rifles. I'm just saying it's an old, beat up blowback and could still at least get close to MOA with a little work.

My Mosin on the other hand... that'll explode clays consistently at 400ish yards on a calm day off a front sandbag. Sadly, it's fairly limited by its LER 7x non-AO scope and I can't really justify spending a lot of money to scope a hacked up $120 rifle :roflol:
 

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Far out guns are cheap over there

Mates looking at a semi auto remmington I think a 22

Found one
A bit rough not been maintained and unoiled in a safe for a few years
Iron sight and no magazine

$500
And that is a pretty good price

As for acuracy

When we sight them in we use a 20lt chemical drum that has a picture of a sheep on it

U aim for one part ie the eye

About 100mt back and hitting a target about 1 cm
Thats with a scope of course
 

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That kind of accuracy from a .22 is pretty crazy without match grade ammo. Then again with a $500 gun I guess match grade ammo is a bit of a drop in the bucket! Is any of that in fees? And how much do they sell for new there?

You can still get new Marlin 60s here for under $200. Older .22s are starting to get fairly expensive though as they're generally built a lot beefier and simpler than the new ones (especially semis).
 

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Hit a one inch by one inch with a ruger 22 modified rifle with a 4x32 scope . 50 yards away it was my first time with a gun he was in the army for 4 years so he tought me a few things like breathing and scope adjustment very fun .
 

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New are in the thousands

Guns are very heavenly controlled
To stop them being involved in crimes

But they keep tightening the rules for legal guns but they not doing any better at stopping illegal imports

Auto weapons are a no go
Pump action shot guns are no go
Pistols are only available to very few people
Such as people who muster cows on horse /motorbike and require protection from rouge animals

The street value of a pistol is about 20k over here

There controls sort of work
There isn't a **** of a lot of small crimes using real guns

But of course the big guys still manage to get them

I don't know what Amo we use
There's only one gun shop in town and he's only got one brand
Green and yellow box

Works out at about $3 a bullet
 

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wow, i'm lucking out here, getting a springfield .45 before it drops off the list of guns able to be purchased new in cali, friend was working at a gun shop, there was a promotion where if he sold a certain amount of springfield firearms he got a free gun, he sold them like crazy and ended up getting 2! i traded a bunch of work on his jeep and a new tie rod for one, should be here soon!
 

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This thread WILL NOT turn into a platform for political views regarding the right to bear arms or not. Keep to the theme of the thread please. Just an early warning, or it will get shut down. Sorry Badot
 

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I don't know what Amo we use
There's only one gun shop in town and he's only got one brand
Green and yellow box

Works out at about $3 a bullet

Green and yellow makes me think Remington, of course that's just a wild guess.

I just looked it up... You guys can't even have airsoft guns without a license! Crazy how much they can actually restrict stuff by being in the middle of an ocean.
 

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What kind of groupings would you call very accurate?

Well, evidently the 'tighter' the grouping the better. At 100 yds I used to do a 2" grouping w/ a very modified .177 pellet rifle (8x scope). Id pop heads off lil turtles at that distance 2/3s of the time. There are a arse load of variables that prevent a good grouping, but under the BEST conditions w/ the right shooter a grouping of 2" is 'slightly' above avg (way above, w/ iron sights).

Rounds used, rounds quality, barrel length, trigger pressure, barrel rifling, humidity, amount of sugar/caffeine intake, mood... are 'some' factors that can be 'made' better to compact groupings.
 

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Yea my pond is 120yds from my deck to the opposite shore... 100yds from shore to shore. I had a modded compressed gas chambered (like a gas shock) rifle that I put together... roughly 1800fps w/ high velocity pellets, n bout 1600fps w/ normal Beeman hollowpoint pellets. Yes it was loud as funk. I shake too much nowadays to still shoot tight groups... hence why I traded it for a gx200 connected to a Robron kart.
 

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I had a modded compressed gas chambered (like a gas shock) rifle that I put together... roughly 1800fps w/ high velocity pellets, n bout 1600fps w/ normal Beeman hollowpoint pellets.

I think I may need to hear more about this -- sounds fun. Did you just boost the pressure in the gas cylinder or something?

2" at 100 yards with a piston operated pellet rifle is still pretty dang good considering how tricky it is to consistently let them move when you shoot.
 

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I think I may need to hear more about this -- sounds fun. Did you just boost the pressure in the gas cylinder or something?

2" at 100 yards with a piston operated pellet rifle is still pretty dang good considering how tricky it is to consistently let them move when you shoot.

I wont claim to know everything bout shooting, infact ive forgotten more than I remember... :censored:.

Ive heard from others that the claim(s) ive made about the performance of the plinking gun, as being alil hard to swallow... so your not the first, so let me explain (what I remember)...

The original stock/gun was from a Benjamin Titan NP .177. The entire chamber was replaced w/ a fabricated/improvised/larger unit. Some carving/grinding was needed to get the beast into the stock. The trigger mechanism was removed and improvised to work w/ the new chamber, aswell as lightened and the stroke made shorter to about a 1/4" throw. The compression of the new piston was beefed up w/ a larger port and a heftier seal, and created roughly 1600fps w/ high velocity pellets... but the drop rate was too significant and the pellets werent flying straight... 6"-7" pattern at 50yds...:ack2:. We (gunsmith friend that did the actual micro 'labor' to the plinker) came to the conclusion that the piston was projecting the pellet out too fast and too much blow by was being created (excess/wasted pressure blown out/past the pellet... like oil past cylinder rings). We came up w/ the idea that it needed an entirely different barrel. He made one that was about .060 wider in diameter and the ID was ~.020 smaller (if I remember right). The length was 4"s longer, and the rifling was rewound tighter and he got 3 extra rotations by doing so. The wider barrel created a more solid initial ejection of the pellet, the longer barrel compensated for the blowby, and the narrowed ID created enough of a seat that the pellets nolonger flew out the barrel "crooked". The tighter rifling created a longer/straighter flight path, w/ significantly less drop!

According to his speed trap meter, a high velocity pellet would do roughly 1800fps, where as a normal weight pellet would do about 1600fps... EVERY shot spooked someone... lol. I used Beeman hollow points, consistently, so the barrel became acclimated/accustom to shooting them, and while shooting 2k rounds through it the patterns got tighter n tighter, until I hit my/its limit at 2" at 100yds.

I had a 3-9x40 scope on it, which I added an additional eye piece to create a 3-9x60 scope. I mounted my iPod to it for an exact/consistent eye placement... so my eye line and the scope sat in the exact same positioning every shot... plus I could record shots made.

I stopped shooting for physical reasons. Ive inherited my mother genes, and have a mild case of Huntington’s Disease.. the shakes. Towards the end of my shooting accurately days, I noticed as I would shoot, sometimes my arm/wrist would twitch/spasms out to where Id have to literally lay down and relax my body before a shot. My moms MUCH worse... she can shake paint cans just by holding em still.

Hope this fills your "...need to hear more about this...". Now Im off to shower off the cobwebs.
 

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Maybe what I said came off wrong -- 2" at 100 yards is perfectly believable with a pellet gun (with practice of course), and I see no reason one can't be made to shoot at 1600 fps either. I was just interested in the specifics of the powerplant :cheers2:

I own a Talon Magnum with a nitro piston but wouldn't have the faintest idea how to mod it as I've never taken it apart... I don't particularly want to mess around with the high pressures inside the pistons, nor do I have a way to recharge the nitrogen if it escapes.
 
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