Regarding Lifting rear wheel in a corner

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Go kart didn't have differential.So we have lift rear wheel while cornering.I don't know how we can achieve it.So let me know about it.
I have read some posts regarding it.They suggest to use hard axle.But what is hard axle????.Please explain in details.

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By hard axle I would assume it refers to a "live" axle which means it is a one piece solid axle which translates to both rear wheels spinning the same speed.
This makes the kart want to move forward in a straight line even if the front wheels are turned to the left (or right) especially at low speeds.
At higher speeds while turning, the kart frame will deform/twist raising one of the rear wheels up making it easier to navigate the turn.
Keep in mind that a true gokart does not have a differential OR suspension of any kind.
 

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You need angle the Front spindle bearing mounts inward. Like 10°. Then weld the spindle axles on 10° in the opposite Direction. So they are parralell with the font beam.
Also tip the entire front beam 15° to 20° leaned back.

This will cause the wheel lift you are trying to achieve.
Check this out:
http://www.diygokarts.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24346&page=8

and read page 7 and 8. Post #143 is a video of wheel lift.
 

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the front geometry is not responsible for the rear axles flexibility.

While I agree that a correctly set up front axle geometry helps adding the necessary "grip" on the front wheels to achieve the rear lift..
it's not CAUSING said rear lift at all.

In racing karts the amount (and sensibilty for wheel lift) is adjustable by addig or removing crossmembers sizing up or down the axle diameter..

it's indeed the amount of flexibility in the rear chassis that makes the inner wheel loose contact.
[and yes, that's where the ideal grip of the front end comes in]
but if you have a low COG and a very very rigid rear end.. you will need to hit a curb in order to lift a wheel..

calculating the amount of lift is merely impossible, from the quality of the front wheels, to the temperature of the frame rails, from the weight distribution to the exact alloy of the steel being used.. the length diameter and thickness of the rails and the friction coefficient of the track you're zipping along... there's more to take into account than I'm able to even list...

Take a look at how racing chassis are layed out:
- fairly independed left and right side rails (one generally beefed up with a second rail to carry the engine's load)
- and most of the times ONE diagonal cross member welded in. (for the 'basic' stability to support driver and engine)
and then ..
different rear bumper and a detachable crossmember to add stability in case needed.

This has to be set and reset for every track and every weather condition.
(move a crossmember in or out or change the location) add a different [more or less sturdy] rear bumper... maybe change the axle to a more or less flexible one.

Really, those things need to be tested, not calculated...

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Well Eric did...
at least kind of ;)
lingual finesse aside...
You need angle the Front spindle bearing mounts inward. Like 10°. Then weld the spindle axles on 10° in the opposite Direction. So they are parralell with the font beam.
Also tip the entire front beam 15° to 20° leaned back.

This will cause the wheel lift you are trying to achieve.

He's right; as much as a bad front end geometry can cause the rear wheel to NOT lift at all (even if the frame flexes enough in bench tests)
so if you agree that wheel lift is caused by rear axle flexibility,
then we at least mean the same thing ;)

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I will add... I am just learning this "Chassis Dynamic". and that is also Why I gave suggested reading material link with video. To Desertdulers build and he uses this technique.
Also from Russ' Link:
" the kart’s steering geometry is set up to effectively lift one front wheel so the kart can lean onto the other front wheel and allow the inside back wheel to lift off the tarmac and thus overcome the lack of rear differential"

I think we are on the right track. and possibly the same page?
Hmm linguistics LOL
 
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