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i have a 125cc 4-stroke loncin with a 3 speed gear box which is rated for 7000rpm. First gear is 12:1, Second is 8:1, and Third is 4:1.

So i guess first gear would be like running a 10T on the engine and 120T on the axle. would that be enough to get the cart moving.

also I was thinking if i could use a 1:1 ratio from the gearbox to the axle?
 

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i have a 125cc 4-stroke loncin with a 3 speed gear box which is rated for 7000rpm. First gear is 12:1, Second is 8:1, and Third is 4:1.

So i guess first gear would be like running a 10T on the engine and 120T on the axle. would that be enough to get the cart moving.

also I was thinking if i could use a 1:1 ratio from the gearbox to the axle?
10t to 120t would get you going 5mph tops.

You want a final ratio with that engine to be around 7:1 with the 18" tires you have.
 

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Right now, in 3rd gear you have a 4:1 ratio, with the 18" tires your using, i would go with a 7:1, maybe 8:1 final ratio, so you want a 1.75:1 or 2:1 ratio between gearbox and axle. So an 18 or 20t sprocket on your axle would be good.
 

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Right now, in 3rd gear you have a 4:1 ratio, with the 18" tires your using, i would go with a 7:1, maybe 8:1 final ratio, so you want a 1.75:1 or 2:1 ratio between gearbox and axle. So an 18 or 20t sprocket on your axle would be good.

lol sorry about that i had another moment but thanks kaptian
 

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Final ratio.

The overall ratio from drive spline to transmission to output spline. The transmission itself gives you 12:1, PLUS the reduction in RPM applied from the output sprocket to the drive wheel/axle. Example.

7000 RPM @ 12:1

12:1 reduces the RPM out of the transmission to 583.3~ RPM. An 18" tire is roughly 56.5" in circumference, so at 583 RPM, you'll travel 32939.5 inches per minute, 2744 feet per minute, 45.75 feet per second, which is equal to 33.58 MPH at max RPM, 1st gear, 1:1 transmission to axle ratio.

Fast. But a problem BECAUSE it's fast in 1st. You want torque in the low gears for take-off. Having the torque graph would help a ton, but instead, you can assume 125cc at 12:1 final will be an absolute dog off the line, if able at all. The trick to increase torque is to pick this up in the ratio between the output spline and the axle/drive wheel. That's why they did it on the motorcycle it was on, and that's why it has a 12/8/4 progressive 3 speed with what I'd assume is at least an 8 inch rear sprocket.

You need to hit the drawing board, find what top end you want, what's acceptable for torque, and plan for the amazing range you'll have to play with by having a 3 speed. My opinion is make it torquey as hell and let that 4:1 in 3rd stretch your legs for you. That way you're cutting ruts AND blowing people's doors off.
 

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i kinda figured that after what kaptian said but i am going to hit the drawing bored and research some other reverse tirkes and mc engines and what not.

thanks i appreciate the help
 
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