Predator 212 full throttle question

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Wisnieskichris

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I'm new to builting a predator 212 I have one on my motovox 80 and I put 18 pound valve springs in the head arc billet rod arc billet flywheel hoping to fix my problem. The problem is after full throttle for more than 2 min and yes the governor is gone, it starts to stall bogdown and fall on it's face then I have to go at half throttle for a min before I can go back up to full throttle. Does anyone have a solution I think it may be fuel starving but I'm not sure I have a mikuni carb high compression head new valves 275 cam billet side cover dual bearing billet rockers rlv muffler and header chromoly pushrods oversized valves flat top piston and autolite sparkplug
 

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No mention of a new exhaust or carburetor.
But all these billet internals.

Sound like your upgrading backwards.

It also sounds like your sucking the bowl dry.

Pics are worth a thousand words....
 

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Sounds like you are starving it. Maybe you need to change to a larger jet. When you beef up an engine in the backwards way you are doing, you need to allow it to breath and drink better. I hope you gave it a custom 3" air cleaner and put the appropriate jet in ( ? .037<< in your case?) instead of an .036 jet, but I'm betting you didn't. You may have to go one notch or two to a hotter plug.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEs_Rn0c4IA

Another thing is>> Your fuel filter<< is it new and NOT clogged> How about your gas tank and supply line? Make sure you are getting good flow also.

I wish I had the ambition to do what you did.......... :D
 

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I think saying he is building backwards is debatable. At least in a friendly manner, haha.

A broken connecting rod can destroy your whole block.
 

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Definitely a fuel delivery issue...

If you watch enough youtube vids on car mods (&/or have any mechanical training), you notice they all say the same thing, "if you increase engine horsepower, you need to upgrade the fuel delivery system to keep up with the extra HP"...

The Predator (& all industrial) engines are designed to run at a constant 3600rpm all day; when you increase RPM to 6-7K, you're using more fuel, more than the stock setup can provide; raising your fuel tank will provide a little more gravity pressure but, you're best to start looking at a fuel pump which will provide a constant pressurised feed...
 

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Don't know much about rk970, but the advice he has given me has been pretty good....
Here is some info rk shared to help me. I will pass it along.


In my experience (especially with outboard engines) when the fuel supply cannot keep up with the demand is that the engine will "bog" and start loosing rpm under WOT. If jetting is to lean it will pick up a little as you close the throttle. If it were me.. Go gravity feed and remove the drain plug from the float bowl and time how long it takes to fill a 1qt cup (16 oz will be fine also). With that you can calculate how much power your fuel system can support. For gravity feed systems I try to get 30% more fuel flow then estimated power.
So lets use 15hp.. and .45 BSFC (little on the rich side)
GPH = .45x15hp/5.92
GPH for 15hp is 1.14
Take 1.14 x 8 = 9.12 pints per hour or 6.58 minutes per 16oz flow.
add bout 30% and look for 20oz flow in that same 6min 35sec time.


So according to this info, if gravity can fill a 16oz cup with fuel in 5 minutes 16 seconds, gravity can also support 15 HP.

Or 20HP is 1.52 gallon per hour, or 3.2 oz per min.
With the 30% margin described, 4.2 oz per min. If you can get 16 oz in 3 minutes 49 sec, then you are good for 20 HP.

Make sure the tank is full and it is venting enough. If it flows too slowly, try to loosen the gas cap and see if it flows faster.

The results of my testing were as follows.
I might have been using 1/4" fuel line. (stock is 3/16") Don't remember what I had. Probably 1/4". I also had another vent in the gas tank. It was a hole for a return line for a pump, then I made it a vent.

4oz 0:56
8oz 1:45
12oz 2:33
16oz 3:25
20oz 4:20


You can see that I was able to flow 16oz of fuel in 3:25 with gravity, so more than enough for 20HP. So at least on my set up, gravity would fail to provide adequate fuel flow at around 22-25HP.
 

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Maybe I missed it, but if your not running a fuel pump you can’t keep that motor running at high rpms with gravity. I think you said you had a pulse line, but changed it to a vent?
 
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