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Hi, I'm new here and have no experience wiring stuff or building go karts or any of that kind of stuff but I wanted to build a electric go kart and was wondering if anyone could help me get stuff like what motor to use, controller, etc. (I already have a chassis)

Some Of The Specs I Wanted

1) To go at least 30 MPH (Prefer 40 MPH)
2) To be 48v or above
3) To use Headway cells
4) Have ride time around 30-60 Minutes
5) And the budget is under $650 (If possible)

So, anyone out there think they could help me pick stuff out and help guild me building it?

Thanks
 

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Welcome! Yes you will definitely get the help you need here. Start by reading like crazy!
 

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headway cells? you're not referring to 38120s are you?

A 10Ah 3.3 cell costs what 15 bucks?.. soo a 48V 10AH battery would cost you 225
in cells alone, no wiring, no levelling, no nothing.
Say 250-300 packed and ready to go...

you want 60min runtime? expect no less than 30Ah to get there..
that'd be 750-900 bucks FOR THE BATTERY ALONE!

Now.. shall we proceed or would you like to change your mind about a few things first?

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oh https://bmsbattery.com/ebike-batter...-battery-cell-with-screw-headway-battery.html
16 bucks a pop.. 45 pieces needed (I'd say 60 would be better even...)
720-960 in cells alone... yikes!
 

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Well, can i still get a 30-60 min run time with lead acid batteries and them alone are $100-$200 each and also, anyone have any good plans for a shifter or racing kart chassis? One more thing is it still possible to go 30-40 MPH with keeping everything under 650?

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45 pieces needed (I'd say 60 would be better even...)
720-960 in cells alone... yikes!

This guy made one and only used 24 so... i would only need like 16...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gas-Beating-Electric-Race-Kart/
 

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Ya... buy one off of CL... Slap on a pred for $100, should have a few $$ left for some new tires...
 

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Well, can i still get a 30-60 min run time with lead acid batteries and them alone are $100-$200 each and also, anyone have any good plans for a shifter or racing kart chassis? One more thing is it still possible to go 30-40 MPH with keeping everything under 650?

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This guy made one and only used 24 so... i would only need like 16...

http://www.instructables.com/id/Gas-Beating-Electric-Race-Kart/

Sure but they only hold 15AH and cost 24 bucks a pop..
making your single set 360 dollars worth and you still would NOT reach an hour of driving time (half an hour maybe)
So still... 30Ah is what you'd be aiming for (double that up... aaaand hoorray you're back at 720 bucks for just battery cells!)

Why a shifter chassis? the main difference is front brakes.. a pair of used front brakes costs you ~700 ; 400+ used mostly...
not a smart choice if you're on a budget.

Pick a 100cc kart chassis instead they're plenty and easy to get hold of for cheaper than you'd be able to make one yourself.

if you're on a budget going electric doesn't make much sense..
staying under 1.5k is difficult if you want mileage and power
staying under 1k is tricky and requires many used parts you got for cheap
staying under 650... nearly impossible!

You can push a small brushed my1020 / zy1020 (48V 1000W) (~100 bucks) to these kinds of speed if you're patient (it's not powerfull enough for good acceleration and speed.. pick one)
it's mechanical power mind you it draws up to 30Amps IIRC..
say 25 for the full non stalling power.. in an hour that'd be 25Ah (see?)
and it's just a small 1kW motor just barely enough to get to the speeds you want.
add ~50 bucks for a decent controller and just lead acid cells (80 bucks for 30Ah)
and you're at 500 bucks for the electric power (incl some wiring and fuses)
sprockets and chain, chassis and a throttle are going to set you back more than 150 I'm afraid.
So we already cracked your 650 limit!

What you'd really want is a ME0909 instead
(the brushed 5kW variant of the motor used by the instructables guy since it's cheaper)
costing 400 bucks a matching controller sets you back about 70-100 dollars
and you'd want 60Ah cells at least... (130 a piece)
and you end up @ about 1100 plus chassis, mechanical drivetrain and throttle etc..

And all that babble to say one thing:
listen to mckutzy!
if you want to stay below 650... get a gasoline engine,
a predator if you are an american, any gx200 clone if you're not.
120'ish dollars for the engine, 80 for a torque converter
and you have 450 bucks left to find a chassis with brakes and wheels that you can mount it to.

'sid
 

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I was kinda being a bit of a smart aleck... But ya... Going electric is costly... Getting a good setup is $$$$... For the most part... Electric isnt budget orientated..
Albeit some people have managed to build larger batt packs on the cheaper side, I'd say do not build unless you have a fundamental knowlege of all the how's and why's...
It's kinda of a hombrew cluster bomb with those fancy lithium cells...
 

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Well... ok, a gas engine may be better, but I forgot to add one thing...

ITS FOR A SCHOOL PROJECT...

Plus, I want one electric, because,
1) Its not so loud
2) Sure it may cost a lot more but at my house they only allow electric karts(cause I want to drive it around near my house)
3) It is for a school project

one more thing...

Is it still possible to make one for under $650 if I built it like this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_zB5_nKqIc

And the reason I want a shifter Kart frame is because I like the design and it is small so it will fit in the bed of my dad's truck(a short 5ft bed)

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staying under 650... nearly impossible!

Your right sid, it is nearly impossible
 

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Easy peasy.

Go on craigslist and look for a Razor dune buggy or honda minimoto in decent shape for 50-100$. Then pick up the 48v 1800w brushless motor/controller/throttle setup on ebay for 180$ and 2x 20ah Multistar 6S batteries from hobbyking will cost you around 240$ after 10% off coupon.

Razor kart $100
motor etc $180
Batteries $240
Connectors, wires etc $75

If you want a race type kart figure 400-600$ for one in poor shape with everything minus the engine.


Minimoto I built for the kiddo with a floor polishing motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxZJOUZelAQ
 

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if you'd watched the video, and read annotation you could answer your own question..

HIS SET is 280 bucks w/o battery... (300 for the 2kW one which IMHO is worth it)

Now add battery and a CL kart and you know the answer ;)

really, you must do the reading yourself, we will NOT be able to pre-chew everything for you.
if you don't you'll end up in huge troubles (either safety related or money related.. likely both)
So beware, do as much reading as you can..

especially read what a shifter kart is!
I get a rough idea what you're talking about and that has NOTHING to do with shifter karts ;)


race karts are almost all the same size (more or less) given you pick an adult size kart and no tiny bambini kart
TWO exceptions: superkarts and enduros which are a tad longer.

vintage karts (race) look different but are not really an exception to that rule

yard karts (what austiwawa uses.. in his case an Azusa frame) come in all sizes and not uncommonly as two seaters.. they're visually closer to vintage race karts ...

Now back to modern race chassis
these are two tony karts below.. one shifter one NON-shifter..

nearly identical frame, near identical fairing... only difference: shifting lever and front brakes! (shifting lever you don't need at all.. front brakes you cannot afford at all!)
NOW.. shifter kart... loose that idea!
(yes, the shifter is watercooled.. but you get watercooled 100ccs as well, so that's not a destinct feature)

'sid
 

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(either safety related or money related.. likely both)So beware, do as much reading as you can..

I was just skipping through YouTube trying to find ideas for one, and I found all the parts plus free shipping for around $250(w/out battery)

Also, if I used a 60v 20ah lithium battery pack would the motor wear down faster, and about how long would a 20ah pack last?

And before you say so, a lithium pack was the same price as a lead acid pack and the 20ah one was $28 more

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If you want a race type kart figure 400-600$ for one in poor shape with everything minus the engine.
I found one in perfect condition on craigslist for $500 so...
 

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I found one in perfect condition on craigslist for $500 so...

I find a lot of stuff on craigslist cheap in "perfect" condition too. But it is not like you are going to be racing it on a track so have fun with it and make sure you check the frame for cracks.
 

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im not even getting it i'm building one got any ideas?

Ok, well... i might be getting one if i find a relativity cheap one

Cheaper to find a used one and modify it/clean it up. But if you are looking for a project! Building one will be more fun. :wai:

What kind of welder are you using? If I where building one I would do it out of 6061 aluminum.

I would start here for plans:
http://www.diygokarts.com/kart-plans/kart-plans-main.html
 

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I was just skipping through YouTube trying to find ideas for one, and I found all the parts plus free shipping for around $250(w/out battery)

Also, if I used a 60v 20ah lithium battery pack would the motor wear down faster, and about how long would a 20ah pack last?

And before you say so, a lithium pack was the same price as a lead acid pack and the 20ah one was $28 more

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I found one in perfect condition on craigslist for $500 so...

250.. that'd be the 1600W version then, right?
anyways, yes but if you shop on ebay,
make sure the seller is actually within the US not just a chinese relay center.
(ask any question before buying.. you'll quickly be able to tell by the reply you get)
when in doubt leave it out, rather spend the 20 bucks more to buy from a trusted US-Shop instead...
(pays out in case something's wrong -say with shipping for example)

well you shouldn't run a 48V motor @ 60V ever..
a 60V motor is as reliable as a 48V motor..

usually the very rough (and not always right) theory is..
given a fixed electric powerdraw (say 2000W)
a 48V (drawing ~41.7 Amps) has less speed (rpms) and more torque
than a 60V motor ( drawing ~33.3 Amps)

I doubt there's any noteworthy difference in the end mounted to a kart/minibike..
the gearing compensates to put the motor in it's ideal rpm range, and thus the speed and torque at the wheel will nearly be identical.

Those motors are electrically power rated AFAIK.. so 1600W is indeed not mechanical power but just electrical(VA)-Watts

School project ... do the math ;)

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What kind of welder are you using?
I would start here for plans:

I'm making mine out of 1in steel square tubing and Im getting help from a friend with welding she is going to help me and it is a Mig welder

Also, I think I might just go with a gas powered one(use a 125-200cc 5 speed pit bike engine)for now and later when I have more money convert it to electric

:roflol:
 

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If you buy those engines off of eBay or the like... Make sure you get all the pieces to make it run.. Typically they are in separated sets, the engine, carb, exhaust, wiring harness ect...
I suggest a clone and that'll be $100 from HF...
You could always look on CL for motors and see what you can find aswell..
 
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