JMCH Kick Start Kit for Mini Bike

[Hellion]

Just saw this, apparently fresh off the presses. $145.99

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Now who's gonna be our guinea pig and buy one? Commandant Spangler?

As is often the case, fake or doctored photos are par for the course. Of course the guy is gritting his teeth and struggling with the pull starter; he's not even holding the T handle, he's pulling a pixel rope drawn on the photo.

 

[Whitetrashrocker]

That would be cool for the WTC.
Buy one and send it to me. Ill give a full review.

 

[Edwin Spangler]

There are also these...

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[Hellion]

There are also these...

You need to buy one of those too.

I've seen that crank style demonstrated; it seemed to me you'd have to enjoy the novelty of cranking the ratchet each time (winding the spring) and then hitting the release. The kick type has the virtue of being able to give 'er the boot over and over again with a strong leg (versus an arm), that is not so easily tired out. The crank style won't tire you out either as you are just winding a spring, I just meant it sounds awful tedious especially if the engine does not start the first time.

 

[Edwin Spangler]

"I forgot the stupid bar thing at home!"

 

[ezcome-ezgo]

The kick start is definitely a superior suggestion. I assume that's a chianees-a product? Shame it can't be made in the USA.

 

[Hellion]

I assume that's a chianees-a product? Shame it can't be made in the USA.

They better lower the price on it, that's as much as an engine nowadays. Maybe in 20 years after they pay off their tooling costs, right? Rotaderp 212s are $149.99.

 

[Edwin Spangler]

I really hate how he starts every nut and bolt with an impact.

Then again, he probably knows what hes doing. Not me.

 

[Edwin Spangler]

-But the kickstart itself isnt looking too practical. Hard to fit an air filter and I dont see side covers holding up to that force, over and over.

 

[ezcome-ezgo]

I'll say it: Gimmick.

 

[Denny]

I think it’s a great idea!

 

[Hellion]

I was thinking of the durability of the rope and recoil starter. These don't often break in my experience, not with the nylon/polyester rope we have these days but it could break. I bet they broke all the time back in the olden days when they were made of cotton or natural fibers. ...

Then I was thinking what if you're out really riding the trails far from home and the rope breaks during a respite. You could be stranded. I might have to get proficient in starter rope replacement and pack along some 550 paracord.

 

[yesnopleasethanks]

-But the kickstart itself isnt looking too practical. Hard to fit an air filter and I dont see side covers holding up to that force, over and over.

there are a lot of options for different carb manifolds like 90s or a like a inverted manifold I found on amazon, also wouldn't take much effort to take some scrap metal and weld up or even bolt up a basic support. Id prefer a fully mechanical starting system all day over a cord or rope, I'm sure it will get better eventually or the idea will pick up and a more reputable company will come out with there own that's stronger. I've always wondered why there isn't kickstarts for small motors so now that there is I'm definitely trying it, price is a little high tho. Now someone just needs to make a decent manual clutch or a small simple transmission.

 

[Hellion]

Id prefer a fully mechanical starting system all day over a cord or rope

Well the rope recoil IS mechanical but I guess you mean gear driven.

It truly is a gimmick to make an industrial stationary engine feel more like a motorcycle engine. And that‘s the key, it’s an industrial engine adapted for recreational use. But there’s plenty of “small engines” that have a kickstarter. Half the known world rides a 50cc scooter with a kickstarter. The rope is fine and if it wasn’t, something better would have come along by now and would be standardized. Engine manufacturers do everything they can to ensure *manual starting reliability, albeit at minimum cost to them.

One has to be a special kind of person, no insult intended, to break a pull rope. There’s some who pull the rope back on itself or opposite the direction of travel and chafe it to death on the rope’s exit hole in the mechanism. On most modern engines, that hole appears to be ringed by a very thin grommet. On engines with a fixed recoil starter that can’t be clocked (Briggs flathead for example), there’s usually a large ferrule there with smoothed edges. Blah blah blah.

What do you mean by “decent manual clutch” and “small simple transmission”?

 

[yesnopleasethanks]

I do mean gear driven, and what you describe as a gimmick is something that most people would call an advance. why do you feel the need to keep a industrial engine just that? why not add a kick start or a trans to it? it would still be better in my mind than say a lifan or roketa motor that has a trans as those brake and wear out quick, a 212 lasts forever which is why they are used for water pumps and what not. Also a big reason people like mini bikes with industrial engines is because they are cheap. And it doesn't take a special kind of person to break a pull start, all it takes is wear and use. when the cords get wet and then dry and then wet and then dry over and over it makes them incredibly weak just like a pair of work boots. Maybe you don't ride your toys but I do. also when I say decent manual clutch and small simple transmission I mean exactly that. A transmission and clutch that fits the simple rugged mini bike vibe. I don't know how to explain that one any better to you, maybe break that down for me. at the end of the day I think its weird to be seemingly against your mini bike to feel like a motorcycle, as it is a motorcycle, just mini and cheap.

 

[Thepartsguy]

I just I can’t I just instantly think of the bad some kids gonna get an engine built up and have the valve lash wrong and kick this thing.

They better hope that kickstart breaks internally the next part down the line is there leg