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firemanjim

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Great ideas scout. But im aiming to low cost ideas although a winch would be nice.

Low cost and 4x4 are NEVER in the same sentence.....:lolgoku:
IF YOU JUST GOTTA HAVE IT...... Buy a wrecked 4x4 atv , strip/gut it, then "rearrange the parts into/onto a custom kart chassis..... AGAIN..... not cheap, but you will have 4x4 kart when done....
 

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when I say turn it sideways I mean have the crankshaft and driveshaft pointing forward.
Ah.. that's a much easier task of course ;)

:eek::eek::drool5::drool5: 'Sid, in your above photo, the assembly has quick disconnects on the ends of the actual shaft; the outboard hubs are to be mounted separately...

Pat, don't faint..:lolgoku:

let's see, the image itself was a random google image;
the actual cardan shaft is a Uni-Cardan made by GKN (gknservice.com)
and it's actually truck part :(

But you may want to take a look at their catalogues
http://www.gknservice.com/gb/commercial_vehicles/download/catalogues.html

I know there are smaller ones, but I don't know any details :(

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U can get smaller pto shafts

My buggy is running the old 6 spline
I think it's only 1 1/4 inch shaft

Could u run 3 mower trans together
That probs been said already but I can't read the whole thread

Alternately u only need a diff on the front axle
As long as u stay on soft dirt
 

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:wai: You could use a rear transaxle out of a AWS lawn tractor for the front. Might have to turn it upside down for the right rotation.
 

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What's an all wheel steer mower

What like rock crawler steering?

I've only seen zero turn mowers where u don't turn the rear wheels just brake or drive it like a dozer
 

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Pat, don't faint..:lolgoku:

let's see, the image itself was a random google image;
the actual cardan shaft is a Uni-Cardan made by GKN (gknservice.com)
and it's actually truck part :(

But you may want to take a look at their catalogues
http://www.gknservice.com/gb/commercial_vehicles/download/catalogues.html

I know there are smaller ones, but I don't know any details :(

'sid

:thumbsup: :cheers2: 'Sid, you're on the same list as Kelly; people I hope I get the chance to hoist a beer with some day.

The website you quite graciously provided the link to, however, is being a little less than forthcoming with actual information....:censored: :censored: :mad: :mad: :censored: :mad:

I didn't dig in to far tonight; just book marked it for further digging when I have a little more than 5 minutes to study the thing.... Could very well be that I'm the one who is totally clueless, trying to navigate their site....

A couple of questions; When i tried to click on specific items or topics, it didn't even offer me any options as to where to direct my questions, except the same "Submit an Inquiry" box. Is that their standard way of doing things, or does their software sort out where information requests are coming from, and sort out those from outside their current territory?

:surrender: :surrender: :huh: :huh: Pat
 

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What's an all wheel steer mower

What like rock crawler steering?

I've only seen zero turn mowers where u don't turn the rear wheels just brake or drive it like a dozer

:lolgoku::funnypost: Fowler, it's most likely not your fault; here in North America, the lawn care industry is just as cut throat as the automotive industry. I may be wrong, (because I only follow these things when I can't escape them), but I belive Cub Cadet, Kubota, and JD have all launched LAWN TRACTORS, (you know, it looks like a tractor, but pretty much is useless outside of mowing the lawn) all wheel steer models in the last couple of years.....

The part that's really creepy/ scary is the number of people buying the things; while scrap ones may be thin on the ground today, give it another couple of years and someone will be here with an "Other Builds" thread that will be using one as the parts donor.....

:cheers2::thumbsup::popcorn: Pat
 

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:thumbsup: :cheers2: 'Sid, you're on the same list as Kelly; people I hope I get the chance to hoist a beer with some day.
Thank you! I'd love that :D
The website you quite graciously provided the link to, however, is being a little less than forthcoming with actual information....:censored: :censored: :mad: :mad: :censored: :mad:
hehe, the internet.. Yeah, that happens most of the times when you get to a website that's made for a specific audience and you're not exactly part of that.
It's a pain.. but most of the time a mail can solve that issue ;)

I didn't dig in to far tonight; just book marked it for further digging when I have a little more than 5 minutes to study the thing.... Could very well be that I'm the one who is totally clueless, trying to navigate their site....
You're most likely not.
I was looking at the german version of course, but if you don't have a car / truck model to refer to you're basically lost.

A couple of questions; When i tried to click on specific items or topics, it didn't even offer me any options as to where to direct my questions, except the same "Submit an Inquiry" box. Is that their standard way of doing things, or does their software sort out where information requests are coming from, and sort out those from outside their current territory?

:surrender: :surrender: :huh: :huh: Pat

Well I disabled browser location, so I can choose whom to contact around the available options, but still I cannot find any US office..
So I guess you have to send your inquiry directly to their headquarters.
If you want me to assist just drop me a PM ;)

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What's an all wheel steer mower

What like rock crawler steering?

I've only seen zero turn mowers where u don't turn the rear wheels just brake or drive it like a dozer
Rock crawlers mostly have regular front wheel steer, but some build their rigs with 4 wheel steer, done with a hydraulic cylinder and a lever in the cab. The rear wheels don't turn with the steering wheel.

:lolgoku::funnypost: Fowler, it's most likely not your fault; here in North America, the lawn care industry is just as cut throat as the automotive industry. I may be wrong, (because I only follow these things when I can't escape them), but I belive Cub Cadet, Kubota, and JD have all launched LAWN TRACTORS, (you know, it looks like a tractor, but pretty much is useless outside of mowing the lawn) all wheel steer models in the last couple of years.....


:cheers2::thumbsup::popcorn: Pat
Hold on, the newer lawn/garden tractors that are sold at places like Lowes and Home Depot are the ones you speak of, they don't last as long and don't hold value well. Tractors from the 60s, 70s, and maybe into the mid 80's are well built and hold value. I have a '74 Cub Cadet 169 that I have used to mow, plow, throw snow, and move trailers. In their day Cub Cadet garden tractors were mini tractors, some with rear PTO, sleeve hitch, and numerous accessories. (tiller, sickle bar mower, plow, and more)

I will grant you that the newer generation of tractors aren't up to all that, my little Craftsman is just a big riding mower. I wouldn't try anything with it that I do with my Cub.
 

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Hold on, the newer lawn/garden tractors that are sold at places like Lowes and Home Depot are the ones you speak of, they don't last as long and don't hold value well.

Go back and look at my post; Fowler was wondering what we were talking about, and I was trying to let him know that we have an alien in our midst with all these throwaway marketing exercises.....


Tractors from the 60s, 70s, and maybe into the mid 80's are well built and hold value. I have a '74 Cub Cadet 169 that I have used to mow, plow, throw snow, and move trailers. In their day Cub Cadet garden tractors were mini tractors, some with rear PTO, sleeve hitch, and numerous accessories. (tiller, sickle bar mower, plow, and more)

I will grant you that the newer generation of tractors aren't up to all that, my little Craftsman is just a big riding mower. I wouldn't try anything with it that I do with my Cub.

:thumbsup::cheers2: See above, and reread my post to Fowler. I think you'll find that we're on the same page....

:cheers2::thumbsup::popcorn: Pat
 

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I know what a lawn tractor is lol
But we call them ride on mowers
(Very creative name)

I wouldn't have thought anyone would have bothered engineering an all wheel steer one

Not pick on u Americans

But I like how our john deer one and a few of our friends American Made mowers have features like cup holders and an addition for a roof
Yet there's still all manual controls for everything ( they go great in salt air) the seat is just vinyl covered
And has no ability to collect grass clippings
All the covers are plastic and the paint is pealing on the metal work after 3 years

Where as the new Husqvarna has electronic clutch electronic hand brake and a box on the back to collect grass
grease nipples on all the bearings and removable covers to get at service points
Also has full metal construction powder coated

I wouldn't have picked john deer to be as a disposable company
Paticularly as the john deers are more expensive when comparing classes

Again not trying to start an argument but from a wide range of stuff we have purchased from all kinds of manufacturers globally
It may be Chinese products that are ao disposable
But even some of their stuff is improving drastically

It appears to be stuff made for American company's that **** the tin so offern

The European stuff is mostly great
The Japanese stuff is mostly great
The Australian stuff is mostly ok
The Chinese are learning real quick
The stuff made in America is ok
But so much stuff branded US ends up over here
And most of it is ten foot pole stuff
 

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:wai: There should be plenty of Craftsman AWS out there, the transaxles where robust. The problem was the steering shaft gear and the steering fan gear which were the weak part. They were not designed heavy enough to handle the torque required to turn the rear wheels. Therefore stripping the teeth on one or the other gear. John Deere still has AWS tractors.
 

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I know what a lawn tractor is lol
But we call them ride on mowers
(Very creative name)

I wouldn't have thought anyone would have bothered engineering an all wheel steer one

Not pick on u Americans

But I like how our john deer one and a few of our friends American Made mowers have features like cup holders and an addition for a roof
Yet there's still all manual controls for everything ( they go great in salt air) the seat is just vinyl covered
And has no ability to collect grass clippings
All the covers are plastic and the paint is pealing on the metal work after 3 years

:confused::confused: What other brands are you talking about? Have you glanced at the tags to see where it was actually built/ and/ or assembled?

I refuse to say you're wrong, but your market must be skewed out of all recognition for MTD to be able to ship "Yard Man" plastic bodied junk to your shores and still be able to make a profit (not to mention having people who say "I'll take it!!!").

As for JD's stuff, all their small equipment that I've gone thru over the last 15 years or so is just a slightly more advanced form of badge engineering than what Caterpillar uses on the fork lifts they sell here in N.America; in that case, Cat just buys them from Mitsubishi. The contract is so thorough that they show up on our shores with all the manuals even printed to Cat specs.

As for JD, my Dad bought a 'Gator last year; while they did build the frame, the front suspension and steering look suspiciously like the same parts as the higher end Club Car line of industrial vehicles; the Engine is a US built 17HP Kawasaki, and the H/L/R rear axle sure looks like a heavy duty Peerless, and the sales brochure listed it as being made in Wisconsin. Cudo's to JD for doing a great design/ integration and assembly, but still...

The markup on one of those is several times that of a lawn mower. The reason they carry them is two fold; A] there is good money to be had peddling them, and B] they can now claim to be a "Full Line" MFR....

Where as the new Husqvarna has electronic clutch electronic hand brake and a box on the back to collect grass
grease nipples on all the bearings and removable covers to get at service points
Also has full metal construction powder coated

Sounds like they're giving real value for the money; what has me acting suspicious is the fact that a lot JD's US lineup of mowers have all of that as standard.....

I wouldn't have picked john deer to be as a disposable company
Paticularly as the john deers are more expensive when comparing classes

Again not trying to start an argument but from a wide range of stuff we have purchased from all kinds of manufacturers globally
It may be Chinese products that are ao disposable
But even some of their stuff is improving drastically

It appears to be stuff made for American company's that **** the tin so offern

The European stuff is mostly great
The Japanese stuff is mostly great
The Australian stuff is mostly ok
The Chinese are learning real quick
The stuff made in America is ok
But so much stuff branded US ends up over here
And most of it is ten foot pole stuff

Where there's smoke, where there's smoke..... How did the rest of that go?.?.?......
 
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