So my 212cc predator engine is idling extremely high. Found the idle screw, adjusted it literally all the way out and nothing. Then I found that silver bar just in front of the carb with the two springs attached. It obviously controls the idle, I found that out by messing with it with my hand. Problem is, the springs came off somehow and I have no clue where to hook them back up so I can set the idle on this thing. Anyone have some close up pics of theirs so I can see how it hooks up?
Idle way too high
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What you have discovered, is the final components of the governor system. The governor controls not only the idle, but all operating speeds. I urge you to read up on governors, we have a lot of good info on this forum.
Toss up a pic of the components you're having trouble with, and we'll see what we can do.
As a related aside, the reason the idle screw did nothing for you is because the governor (or another factor) would not allow it to. Let's get the parts back together, then figure out the issue.
Toss up a pic of the components you're having trouble with, and we'll see what we can do.
As a related aside, the reason the idle screw did nothing for you is because the governor (or another factor) would not allow it to. Let's get the parts back together, then figure out the issue.
Here are some pics. Obviosly one end of the spring attaches to the little arm for the governer. Just don't know what to do with the other end. couldn't get my phone in there to take a good pic, but i'm sure you guys know what it is supposed to look like.
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Okay- hook that little spring into the hole on the arm that it is close to. Now- take off the air filter box to expose the carb arm. The other ends of the rod and spring go there.
Luckily its only a couple bolts that hold the bottom part of the air filter box on. I think I might mess with it tonight then. Still gotta get a new clutch though. Spring is completely shot on this one. Tractor supply said they had one, but when I got there...... Well, there was not one to be found, just and empty hook and none in the back.
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I used to get that a lot: There's a big difference between "do you sell them" & "do you have them". I've taken to starting off by determining the necessary item, then asking "how many do you have in stock?" Computerised shop management systems mean they will know exactly how many they have so, asking that simple little question can save you time & frustration.
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had that happen to me at tractor supply. called them to ask if they had a specific welder since they're a really far drive for me. 5 mins later lady said they had it, and i asked twice if she was sure they had that specific welder in stock.. she said yes. got there and they didnt have it.
sorry i looked but cant find a picture
sorry i looked but cant find a picture
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I have that stuff licked. All these places (especially discount joints like Tractor Supply, Princess Auto, HF, etc) are NOTORIOUS for this. They'll look on the computer, it says they have 3 units, you drive out there, and nothing!
Take heed folks. Call the store in question, and have them check inventory for stock#whatever. Do your homework- Look at catalogs or online, and make sure YOU know the stock/SKU#.
Anyways- If they say they have less than ,maybe 6 or 7 on hand, ask them to physicall check for you. This means putting you on hold, and going to look for it!!!
Why? Because the inventory system is not flawless. It is usually wrong by a few units. Sometimes things are miscounted. Then there's improperly performed returns and exchanges. Or an item is put in the WRONG place in the warehouse. Sometimes somebody has called and reserved one (I do this) and even though it shows in inventory, it is hidden and reserved.
Trust me, call, and have them look. My nearest Princess Auto is a 30 minute drive away. The next one is 45 minutes, and the third one is well over an hour. My closes Tractor Supply is 25 minutes away, and the other one is 40 minutes away. And I just ain't got it in me to drive that long for nothing...
Take heed folks. Call the store in question, and have them check inventory for stock#whatever. Do your homework- Look at catalogs or online, and make sure YOU know the stock/SKU#.
Anyways- If they say they have less than ,maybe 6 or 7 on hand, ask them to physicall check for you. This means putting you on hold, and going to look for it!!!
Why? Because the inventory system is not flawless. It is usually wrong by a few units. Sometimes things are miscounted. Then there's improperly performed returns and exchanges. Or an item is put in the WRONG place in the warehouse. Sometimes somebody has called and reserved one (I do this) and even though it shows in inventory, it is hidden and reserved.
Trust me, call, and have them look. My nearest Princess Auto is a 30 minute drive away. The next one is 45 minutes, and the third one is well over an hour. My closes Tractor Supply is 25 minutes away, and the other one is 40 minutes away. And I just ain't got it in me to drive that long for nothing...
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I had a very similar situation, tore the manager a new one & ended up getting a discount every time I went there after that 
How did your situation end blue? Did you get any satisfaction out of them?
Great advide TS
How did your situation end blue? Did you get any satisfaction out of them?
Great advide TS
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No- The governor is not pulled anywhere. The governor does the pulling and pushing. The springs alter tensions in the system.
Post a pic of what you have. I don't have a predator, but they all basically biol down to the same thing.
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There's another
Let me know if u need more
Thanks guys..... I am so confused. Mine is hooked up the exact same way. But that little black piece that is moved by the throttle is wide open. I thought the springs would hold it against the screw, but it is the exact opposite.... Am I missing something? I will post pics as soon as possible to explain what I mean.
kendelrk
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the governor holds the engine at wide open/partially open until the engine fires, then it returns it back to idle, it does this by the centrifugal force generated from the governor gear riding upon the crankshaft inside the motor. it seems in your first batch of pics you didnt have the spring in the correct way. now that you do put it back together and start it and see if it idles any better. another problem i had with my predator was the throttle cable, if you pull the cable thru the cable stop to tight, the engine will not return to stock idle. my advice is to make sure to loosen the throttle arm a bit, make sure that the throttle cable isint to tight and see where it goes, if its all good you can take out the throttle stop screw for a few more mph. to test if your cable is at fault just dissconect it and see what you get.
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It's wide open until the engine fires, then it will push throttle closed against the black screw. At this point w engine running u turn black screw counterclockwise to reduce idle speed.
Too slow see above post good plan
Too slow
see above post good plan
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Yes- make NO judgement about governor or throttle function with the engine off!
Ok, so picture number one is how it sits at "idle". As you can see, it is all the way open. The second picture shows me holding it shut like I believe it should be with the screw backed all the way out. Am I mistaken or is something not right here?
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