how long should it take for TC to shift

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Bluethunder3320

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I'm admittedly no expert on tc's but I would think a larger driven would help heaps.
50 teeth seems too small for a 19" tire.

i think i read somewhere that with my gearing, it starts with 14:1 and ends with 5:1. but that doesnt seem right.
 

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What model cvt do you have again? A comet TAV2-30 or equivalent, right? Then your high ratio does work out to 5:1 (50/9x0.9). Your initial ratio calcs out to 15:1 (50/9x2.7).

These numbers sound pretty reasonable to me for your bike. You could adjust the gearing or even the CVT's shift characteristics to meet your desires.
 

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i believe on the driven there's 3 holes, i heard the first hole would help you to shift faster, and then farther out is delayed, try putting the spring in the first hole,
 

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i think he means to shift from neutral to over driver

:confused:Do you even understand what your typing sometimes? No "neutral" on a TAV.

Constant velocity trans does not shift but rather ratio ramps up or down according to loads/RPM, correct?

Correct again. Shifting involves moving from one fixed ratio to another.




Looks like its working normally IMO.
 

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@ devino246:
I have a 2 cycle 8hp (approx.) engine that I would like to use with my Comet tav2-30.
Currently, I can reach speeds in the mid 40's mph with 17 tooth centrifugal clutch and a 72 tooth driven.
What gain, if any, will I see in performance?
 

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@ devino246:
I have a 2 cycle 8hp (approx.) engine that I would like to use with my Comet tav2-30.
Currently, I can reach speeds in the mid 40's mph with 17 tooth centrifugal clutch and a 72 tooth driven.
What gain, if any, will I see in performance?

You could see a speed drop if you use the comet TAV stock 12t sprocket (even though it has a .9:1 over drive). That said your acceleration will sky rocket, and with all that extra torque on hand you could re-gear very easily.
Don't forget though that you can only push it so far, especially with an 8hp, and that it is going to be a good bit less efficient than a centrifugal clutch. So to sum things up, you will get lots of torque, but how much of that can be turned into speed before something maxes out, I'm not sure. (I would think you could get up above 40mph, but no guarantees)

This calculator is handy, has calculations for speed and acceleration.
http://gokartguru.com/engineering_tool_kit.php

The TAV has an overdrive of .9:1, and a low range of 2.68:1. I'm sure you know the rest of the numbers needed to fiddle with the calculator.
 

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The big bonus to a CVT as far as I am concerned, is the fact that you reap the benefits of a multi-speed power transmission in a fairly tidy, automatic package. What this allows you to do is get away with gear ratios that would be too high with a c-clutch. Taking Russ' example (and not knowing tire size), he's running at 4.2:1. Now, let's suppose that Russ cannot gear any higher because he'd lose valuable launch torque, and/or risk overheating his clutch. So, his maximum road speed is, well- his maximum.

Now- let's consider that a CVT like the Comet TAV2 has a low ratio of 2.7:1. If we apply this to Russ' existing ratio, we end up with a compound low ratio of 11.44:1. Mega launch.

Now what? Well, 11.44:1 is gobs more low than you probably need for your application. We all know that acceleration and top speed are a trade-off. To gain one, you lose the other. So let's trade off. Let's for theory suggest a top speed increase of 15%. With a c-clutch, you'd have to regear to 3.65:1 for that 15%. Too high? No problem for a CVT. Apply the CVT's low of 2.7:1, and you have a compound low of 9.86:1. Still low enough for a good launch, yet you've increased your top speed by 15%.

Wait- it gets better!

The TAV2 (and knockoffs) boast a 10% overdrive- instead of having a high ratio of 1:1, it's actually 0.9:1. So, your top speed has increased even further yet.

Naturally, there are more factors involved in getting all this right than this, but this is an illustration of some of the benefits.
 

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thanks everyone. i may get a 10T on the driven.

it doesnt feel like 5:1. on high speed runs, i feel like it could do more.
 
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