Honda Odyssey FL250 - Need info Please

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hey Thanx guys.

i took the whole fuel system apart 2day. Drained the fuel and started from scratch, got a brand new fuel filter and some new fuel hose. i also took apart the fuel pump and gave it a good clean, then took the carb apart and it was all good but still gave it a little minor clean inside but cleaned all the outside so looks like new. then just put it all back together with the new hose.
when i went to start it, it didnt work so i put a bit of fuel in with the spark plug it started first time so jumped in and drove it round for a bit, then the real test turn in off and re start it afta a couple of pulls it started again so the beast is up and running again. all i need to do now touch up the paint and maybe a newer racing harness and it will be ready to bash around.

thanx again.
 

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hey Thanx guys.

i took the whole fuel system apart 2day. Drained the fuel and started from scratch, got a brand new fuel filter and some new fuel hose. i also took apart the fuel pump and gave it a good clean, then took the carb apart and it was all good but still gave it a little minor clean inside but cleaned all the outside so looks like new. then just put it all back together with the new hose.
when i went to start it, it didnt work so i put a bit of fuel in with the spark plug it started first time so jumped in and drove it round for a bit, then the real test turn in off and re start it afta a couple of pulls it started again so the beast is up and running again. all i need to do now touch up the paint and maybe a newer racing harness and it will be ready to bash around.

thanx again.

Thats good news. What ratio did you mix your gas? Take the plug out and see if it is white? If it is white you need more oil. You want your plug to look a light tan color. If it is tan then your ready to bash around.

The color of our plug will tell you what your motor is doing. DO NOT SKIP THE PLUG CHECK.

Start your Ody up and let warm up for a few. Then ride it at full speed. Let off the gas and kill the engine. coast to a stop then check your plug. This method will give you a correct reading.

Odyssey's do not have oli in the crank case. They depend on oil from the gas (I think). So make sure you have that right.
 

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Thats good news. What ratio did you mix your gas? Take the plug out and see if it is white? If it is white you need more oil. You want your plug to look a light tan color. If it is tan then your ready to bash around.

The color of our plug will tell you what your motor is doing. DO NOT SKIP THE PLUG CHECK.

Start your Ody up and let warm up for a few. Then ride it at full speed. Let off the gas and kill the engine. coast to a stop then check your plug. This method will give you a correct reading.

Odyssey's do not have oli in the crank case. They depend on oil from the gas (I think). So make sure you have that right.

thats not quite the right way to do a kill check..

First off.. this will only check your MAIN jet or wide open setting:

but yeah, pin it wide open for a few seconds, then hit the kill.. DO NOT let off the throttle one bit. until it stops.

then pull and do the plug reading..
 

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thats not quite the right way to do a kill check..

First off.. this will only check your MAIN jet or wide open setting:

but yeah, pin it wide open for a few seconds, then hit the kill.. DO NOT let off the throttle one bit. until it stops.then pull and do the plug reading..

You just decribed the same way as what I said.

Also it needs to be more than a few secounds. And it should be under load/riding.

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You just decribed the same way as what I said.

Also it needs to be more than a few secounds. And it should be under load/riding.

Peace

one key difference, very important.. in your post you said


Start your Ody up and let warm up for a few. Then ride it at full speed. Let off the gas and kill the engine. coast to a stop then check your plug. This method will give you a correct reading.


in mine:

but yeah, pin it wide open for a few seconds, then hit the kill.. DO NOT let off the throttle one bit. until it stops.


and i think on a more technical point.. you can hold it at the different postions.. I dnt know about oddessy engines (Or more particularily the carbs,) but what im used to is a main, pilot,jet, and idle screw. you can essentialy test all three depending on throttle postion n such.. and then you get into things like needle length and taper, slide hieght, and all of that jazz..

Heres a copy n paste of a jetting guide i did up on another site for the yfm350/warriors:


IDLE SYSTEM
Idle-1/8th throttle:

Piolet screw is set at 2 turns from factory.
Gently bottom it and turn back out 2 turns.
Next run the engine till it hits normal operating temp.
With the engine idling smoothly, adjust the piolet screw OUT (Richer) slowly until the idle either slows or becomes irregular, then turn the screw IN (Leaner) until the engine again slows or begins to idle irregularly.

Count the number of turns between the two positions.
Set the screw mid-way between these too-rich and too-lean positions.
Use the Idle adjuster to re-set the idle speed.
If the engine becomes too hot during the adjustment procedure, the resulting idle mixture will probably be on the lean side of correct.
If you have a large fan, use it while adjusting the mixture. If you do not have one, you may need to take time out for a short ride to cool the engine back to normal temperature.

NOTES:
IF the best idle is achieved with the screw less than one turn out, then your jet is too large and needs to be downsized.

If the engine speed does not slow after 2.5 turns out, then the jet is too small and needs to be upsized.

Jet needle:
Off idle to 1/4 throttle:

the straight diameter portion of the jet needle controls the mixture from just above idle to aproximately 1/4 throttle. If the mixture is too rich or too lean in this throttle range, the needle will need to be exchanged for one with a larger or smaller diameter.

Lean needle:
If the needle is too lean, part throttle acceleration will be flat. There may also be some detonation during part throttle acceleration in the 2500-3000rpm range, (Alhough this may have other causes such as an ignition that advances too quickly).
A lean needle also results in an abnormaly slow warm-up. If any of these conditions exist, install a one size richer needle and compare the performance.

Rich Needle:
While a black, sooty spark plug is a sure sign of richness, others are more subtle. If your engine responds crisply at low throttle openings when cold, chances are the needle is one size smaller, (Richer) than it needs to be. This assumes of course that the idle mixture is correctly tuned.
Poor fuel milage is another sign of an over-rich condition.
Go one size leaner needle.

Jet needle 1/4-3/4 throttle:

The tapered portion of the jet needle rises out of the needle jet at about 1/4 throttle. From that point until the main jet takes over near 3/4 throttle, the jet needle taper is the main control of mixure strength.

Lean:
If the acceleration seems soft or flat and the engine is slow to respond when the throttle is quickly opened from the 1/2 throttle position, the mixture is too lean. Raise the needle one notch and repeat the test.

Rich:

If acceleration is crisp but the engine hesitates or staggers as the throttle is quickley closed from 3/4 to 1/2 throttle, the mixture is too rich. Lower the needle one notch and repeat the test. The needle will be correct when acceleration is crisp at mid-rpm yet the engine does not load up during throttle shut down.

MAIN JET:

Testing - Roll-off method:
This is a good way to get the main jet either correct or within one size of correct. It is based on the fact that as the throttle is closed, the air fuel mixture richens momentarily. This normal enrichening can be used as a diagnostic tool.
The test is started with the engine running at an rpm high enough to ensure that it is "On the cam."

Open the throttle fully and let the engine pull for several seconds. hen quickly close the throttle to about the 7/8ths position.

If the engine seems to gain power, the main jet is too small (Lean).

If the engine hesitates as the throttle is rolled off, the main jet is too large.

when the main jet is correct, the engine will continue to run smoothly and evenly as the throttle is closed.
Note: a main jet that is far too rich or lean may cause the engine to misfire at full throttle.

For those that have that pesky "Warrior" off idle stumble/bog..
pretty much raise the needle till it stumbles (Rich), then test at a notch lower at a time til it leans out to where it doesnt stumble anymore and accelorates good.

This guide/info was gleaned/adapted from Mikuni's website.
http://www.mikuni.com/pdf/hsr_tuningmanual_021003.pdf

that is the guide I used. I also used this to re-jet my warrior. helped me make sense of what was what and what was going on.

there are other great jetting guides here on the forum as well, this is just the same thing, but a bit more symptom based, worded differently, and jsut makes simpler sense to me!


Im now running a 150 dynojet, with the needle on the fourth clip from top. Base mixture about 1.75-2 turns out.
This is on 92 warrior, stage one hotcam, supertrapp exhaust, K&N filter.
Further tuning to commence.
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Do you intend for me, or anyone to read that?? Just kidding, I may get around to it because I know it is very informative.
 

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hehe.. yeah.. i shoulda put that in its own thread and linked to it..

its realy only good for those style carbs...

with 2-3 jets and needle kinda thing.

but once i learned them, and understood them, its now realy easy to figre out and diagnose and figure how to correct and fix any carb.

the gist of that post was originaly, about letting off the throttle... and not to.. lol

theres 2 other ways to do it as well, but i dont have much luck or experience with em.. so i wont go there.. lol

i should find that picture chart thingy i came across for plug reading.. too rich, too lean, too hot, too cold, too... etc etc etc etc lol
 

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Ok so i have no idea if this thread is still active but in the event it is, i have an fl250 that has been slightly modified by a previous owner. The back brake caliper looks similar if not the same as the original part, (it may be original) but it is hydraulic meaning it has an external master cylinder ect. My question is how do these brakes work (internally) and would it have been possible to convert a mechanical brake to hydraulic. I want to convert it back to mechanical if this is the case because the master cylinder is shot and i already have the mechanical brake line. Any useful help is appreciated.
 

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It's been over a year since the last post on here. I'm sure the New Thread you created will have a better chance at being answered.
 
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