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Now you've broken it.

Don't remember exactly where I saw it. I think I came across it a few times. It may have been the same person or even the same post.

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Throttle cable is here. I'll see if I can figure that out. There are enough videos, I'm sure I can do it. I hope this one has the end designed for my carb. I haven't taken the slide out yet.
 

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Maybe a dumb question.....

Anybody know if the needle/seat in "motorcycle" style carbs (mikuni, keihin,...) is set for gravity or for a fuel pump. I've read TM carbs come set for gravity, but can't find too much about it.
 

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I'm glad you brought up gas tanks.

Why are all the cool looking ones so freaking expensive.
And where do I put it? The stock tank will be gone, along with the stock intake, and the stock exhaust. The engine will be lifted a few inches for a TC and the new exhaust will exit through the rear under the seat.

So I guess that leaves on top of the frame (in front of the seat). Or on the down tubes - maybe just use a motorcycle auxiliary tank or something.
http://www.automotivepartsfactory.c...MgqlXoyMeLe-VzJVmMTiNAiy5nC4rZbRoCmJkQAvD_BwE
 

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I'm glad you brought up gas tanks.

Why are all the cool looking ones so freaking expensive.
And where do I put it? The stock tank will be gone, along with the stock intake, and the stock exhaust. The engine will be lifted a few inches for a TC and the new exhaust will exit through the rear under the seat.

So I guess that leaves on top of the frame (in front of the seat). Or on the down tubes - maybe just use a motorcycle auxiliary tank or something.
http://www.automotivepartsfactory.c...MgqlXoyMeLe-VzJVmMTiNAiy5nC4rZbRoCmJkQAvD_BwE

Cool looking
 

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By doing an eyeball comparison to the jet kit I got, it looks like the jets installed in the carb are 35 idle and 108 main.

I was messing around with the cable adjustments on the cable and the carb an it doesn't look like the carb will open all the way.

This is as wide open as I can seem to get.
 

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What are you building for, is it for all-out top end speed, pulling hard to accelerate or something else? Until you have a real target for the build & your expectations, it's not going to be what you want. Light flywheel is fine, but it might shake a bit at different rpms as you get there. If you aren't racing in a "class" against other similar motors, it doesn't really matter.

The iron flywheels are made to help reduce vibration & dampen the effects from a single cylinder's inherent "out of balance" running. Really enjoying this thread by the way, just keep going!


Yep the light flywheels I've seen recommend balancing the rotating assembly.


Now I'm kinda leaning towards the 2.7 lb 34 degree Ambush Flywheel.

I've asked my favorite engine builder at ARC for advice on ignition timing for my application.

"Looking for ignition timing recommendations. NR285-0211 Cam (should pull from 4000 - 7500 RPM), 4k Clutch engagement, 24mm Flat side carb, Ported - Milled (0.040") Big Valve (28.5/25mm) Hemi Head, 37 lb valve springs, 0.027" Head Gasket, +0.020" Con Rod (0.005" In the Hole) Robertson 3 stage exhaust, AR3910X spark plug, 11:1 CR, 100 Octane race gas.

I'm not racing, so should spend most of the time between 5k and 6.5k RPM, but will be over 7k RPM for short periods of time. Testing the HP and RPM limits of a 30 series torque converter on a minibike with this engine.

I need help deciding 28 degrees,30 degrees, 32 degrees, 34 degrees,....
Looking for middle of the road, not too advanced for 5k, but not too retarded for 7k.
Trying to avoid the PVL system, so I get that timing will retard with higher RPMs.

Any input is much appreciated. BTW thanks for these video. I've learned so much from you here and on the forums."


The exhaust is ordered, now the flywheel is the only thing left.
Unless I decide to follow instructions and break in the cam with the stock springs. Then I need to order the retainers for the smaller valve springs.

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I'm impatient so I called ARC. Jody says 32 degrees would be around perfect. And says the stock springs may float around 3000 RPM with my cam. He doesn't like to break things in that way, but says if that's what the instructions say, then go ahead and let it run for a few minutes with the stock springs at low RPM.

Don't really want to take the head off, I have everything cleaned and put together and torqued. It is sitting waiting for the exhaust. And waiting for me to order a flywheel.
I still may get a top plate, even though I don't need the throttle linkage or a place for a fuel pump, I want it for the bracing on top. TC backplate will provide bracing on the PTO side and maybe I'll add a plate on the flywheel side. People said 3/16" Aluminum plate works nicely.

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The head I ordered did not come with exhaust studs.
I'll wait for the header to arrive then decide if I can pull the studs from the old head and use those or just get some bolts to use instead. Not sure if the exhaust comes with bolts, or if I'm supposed to use the stock studs. I'm guessing either should be fine, but some times the flange is tight and normal nuts are too big to fit on the studs because they hit the base of the pipe.

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Flywheel ordered.
But I hate that it is going to be covered up by the stock blower housing and recoil starter.
What the point in being safe, if I can't show off the bling while doing so?
 

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By doing an eyeball comparison to the jet kit I got, it looks like the jets installed in the carb are 35 idle and 108 main.

I was messing around with the cable adjustments on the cable and the carb an it doesn't look like the carb will open all the way.

This is as wide open as I can seem to get.

Something is a miss here that slide should be all the way up.
I was given a chinese pit bike the other day so Ive been playing around with it and the slide goes all the way up.
 

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Something is a miss here that slide should be all the way up.
I was given a chinese pit bike the other day so Ive been playing around with it and the slide goes all the way up.

I was watching this series of youtube videos and he said the same. He said that the cable adjusters are there to make sure wide open throttle is actually wide open. This is my first time playing with a slide carb, so I'll be looking into that. The last video I share talks about making sure the slide is all the way up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUr9b5h0Fk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckZXJRX3X94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiqPMTEiTyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HceSo12ca4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZpn6MRLFa8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHYj84aBfA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX0Eh4joUC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Cf6GUU2tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dinwe8viOUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0haXbnHBJA&t=14s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd5kNXPmfbE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcP-W70l9Ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeUvaLdqaNI&t=63s
 

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So, I feel bad. I didn't get the ARC flywheel. They are the most helpful people I've ever dealt with. I can pick up the phone and get an expert on the line almost anytime I want.

I went with this one.

Ambush 21716

http://ambushracingproducts.com/cart/index.php?l=product_detail&p=34

Billet Flywheel Machined from 6061-T6 Aluminum. Timing Machined in at 34 deg advanced Timing weighing in at 2.700 Lbs and standard diameter. No Dropdown Bracket Needed...Harbor Freight model #60363




NR sells their same product but the NR description says 33 deg BTDC timing

http://www.nrracing.com/product-p/21716.htm

Flywheel, Billet Aluminum, Made by Ambush Racing
Non-Adjustable timing, Works with stock recoil, Timing is set at 33 BTDC
Only fits new style Predators, Model 60363 [210FA] that came with Cast Aluminum Valve Cover.
Will not fit old style Predators, Model 69730 [R210] that came with Stamped Aluminum Valve Cover.


And the ebay description.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Predator-212CC-Hemi-Flywheel-/322497989677?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275


Light weight at 2.6lbs 34* advanced timing. Made from 6061-T6 aluminum in the USA. Fin design reduces drag compared to designs currently on the market. Precision machined larger magnet design gives hotter spark at ignition. Fits Hemi Style Blocks / Cranks


Sorry ARC, I feel like I just cheated on a girlfriend.:oops:

ARC Rod, NR Cam, Robertson Exhaust, Ambush Flywheel..... I like to spread the love around.
 

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Something is a miss here that slide should be all the way up.
I was given a chinese pit bike the other day so Ive been playing around with it and the slide goes all the way up.

Figured it out. I couldn't even push the slide up with my finger, so I assumed the spring wasn't in there correctly.

I took it apart and realized I had the white plastic piece that holds the cable (gets inserted into the slide) upside down. When correct, the spring fits around the lip on the top of the white piece. There is no lip on the other side so the spring just sat on top of it when that white piece was upside down. Also it seemed like the cable would pop out easily the other way. It seems like it is secured much better this way.

I am fairly confident that it is correct now.

I can't build a monster if if the carb only opens 75%.
Very happy now that it wasn't a junk carb, just a garbage builder.:thumbsup:
 

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So the Predator user manual says....
https://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/69000-69999/69730.pdf
"10W-30 above 32° F
5W30 at 32° F or below"

The NR cam says...

"Use Only Mobile 1, Royal Purple, or Redline 0W20, 5W20, or 0W30 oil."

This is right under where it says to break in the cam with light springs and no load at 2000 RPM for 20 minutes.

I wonder if the suggest oils are for breaking in the cam only, or for extended use.


So I ran out of beer and maple syrup. And I will be using this above 32*F. What to use now?????
I have been using 10W30 on all my toys so far.
 

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In this video, Jody talks about flywheel weight.
Says for stockers, a bit heavier is better because as the HP falls off as RPMs increase the stored inertia in the flywheel will help out the top end.
Lighter flywheels allow you to rev quicker and recover quicker after letting off the throttle (like when racing in a pack).
Lighter is also suggested for modified engines that have powerbands that extend into higher RPMs.

I picked a middle of the road weight. 2.6 lbs. Lighter than the 3.5 - 3.7 lb ones. Heavier than the 1.7 lb ones that suggest balancing. It does not require an extra bracket for the coil. It takes the stock starter cup and recoil starter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAEFI7HZGyA
 

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I've alway read about how ugly the stock tanks make these engines look. Never understood it until now.

Had to notch the bottom of the tank. The added crankcase breather hose got in the way. Don't plan on using the stock tank (shouldn't fit the minibike if the engine is raised for a TC), but now it'll fit properly if I ever need/want to use it.

Ugly as sin.
 

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